[News] The Coronavirus Good News thread

[Mellotron]

China so pinch of salt but still good to see actual timeframes on vaccine availability being discussed;

Chinese firm says vaccine ready by the end of the year

Kerry Allen

BBC Monitoring, Chinese Media Analyst

A Chinese pharmaceutical company has announced that it is expecting to have a vaccine by the end of the year.

The chairman of Sinopharm, Liu Jingzhen, has told media that one of the company’s Covid-19 vaccine candidates, currently undergoing Phase III clinical trials on humans in the United Arab Emirates, is expected to be on the market by the end of December.

Mr Liu himself has been injected with two doses of the vaccine, and told Global Times he has so far felt “no side effects”.

China has workshops in the cities of Beijing and Wuhan that are able to produce 120 million and 100 million doses a year respectively, and the vaccine is expected to be priced under 1,000 yuan ($144; £110) for two doses.

There are some concerns in the mainland at the price, with many on the Sina Weibo social media platform saying that it would be unaffordable to rural Chinese. However, given China is currently reporting no domestic cases, only imports, there is limited concern an outbreak would reach smaller, rural communities.

There are more than 200 vaccine candidates currently in development around the world, and more than 20 are at the stage of being used in human clinical trials.

 

[sydney]

China so pinch of salt but still good to see actual timeframes on vaccine availability being discussed;

are you aware of the one in Oxford that the Aust. govt has signed up with ...they are at advanced stage 3 human testing , apparently....

 

[CHAPPERS]

Well Mr Liu would say that wouldn't he.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

China so pinch of salt but still good to see actual timeframes on vaccine availability being discussed;

I know it’s pretty easy to write stuff off when it comes
To Russia, but has anyone from Oxford etc looked at the so called vaccine?

 

[Yoda]

Good to see Dr. John Campbell being so positive again:

 

[LamieRobertson]

He hasn’t been that positive recently...today though we have this

https://youtu.be/D5Z6wdu1eI0





Edit
Doh beaten by a minute

 

[Mellotron]

Heathrow Airport has unveiled the development of a new coronavirus testing centre which it hopes will help end the compulsory 14-day travel quarantine for those returning from certain countries and “protect the economy”.

Arriving passengers will be able to book swab tests and have results sent to them in seven hours under the proposal.

They can do a second test at home a few days later and leave quarantine early if they pass both checks. The airport’s chief executive John Holland-Kaye wrote in the Daily Mail that it was ready to support the proposal “provided the Government sets clear guidelines for a second test and changes regulation to allow passengers who provide two negative tests to leave quarantine early”.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Heathrow Airport has unveiled the development of a new coronavirus testing centre which it hopes will help end the compulsory 14-day travel quarantine for those returning from certain countries and “protect the economy”.

Arriving passengers will be able to book swab tests and have results sent to them in seven hours under the proposal.

They can do a second test at home a few days later and leave quarantine early if they pass both checks. The airport’s chief executive John Holland-Kaye wrote in the Daily Mail that it was ready to support the proposal “provided the Government sets clear guidelines for a second test and changes regulation to allow passengers who provide two negative tests to leave quarantine early”.

They just had JHK on sky, he seemed defeated when talking about this Gov.

Said they are not really listening and just saying they are.

We have a test that can give results quickly and accurately with a low cost - there is no reason why something hasn’t been rolled out now

 

[CHAPPERS]

They just had JHK on sky, he seemed defeated when talking about this Gov.

Said they are not really listening and just saying they are.

We have a test that can give results quickly and accurately with a low cost - there is no reason why something hasn’t been rolled out now

Hard to pin the blame on other countries when people are coming in testing negative in huge droves.

 

[Mellotron]

German institute says coronavirus vaccinations could start in early 2021

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-vaccine/german-institute-says-coronavirus-vaccinations-could-start-in-early-2021-idUSKCN25F0HA?il=0

BERLIN (Reuters) - The head of Germany’s vaccines regulator said some groups of people living in Germany could be vaccinated early next year against the coronavirus that has killed almost 800,000 worldwide and wreaked havoc on the global economy.

 

[beorhthelm]

They just had JHK on sky, he seemed defeated when talking about this Gov.

Said they are not really listening and just saying they are.

We have a test that can give results quickly and accurately with a low cost - there is no reason why something hasn’t been rolled out now

NHS or what ever PHE is to become dont want to out of the loop or lose oversight of health issues. business has come up with a positive solution, we should welcome it and see where else that protocal can be used.

 

[Pondicherry]

Can't see this discussed on here so far - sorry if it has. It's the XYZ theory of herd immunity for which there are a growing number of scientific papers in support of.

It works like this. X, Y and Z are three variables. Z is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 and developed antibodies. Y is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 in a very mild form and did not develop antibodies but did develop T cell immunity. And X is the % of the population who had a pre existing immunity to COVID 19. How is it possible to have a pre existing immunity? The theory is that if you have had a variety of the common cold virus (another corona virus) similar enough to COVID 19, you will have the T cells that will protect you from COVID 19.

A report published in Science on 04/08/2020 suggest up to 50% of the population have pre existing immunity to COVID 19.

So lets say X is 50%, Y is 20% and Z is 10%. We will be getting close to herd immunity without a vaccine. (caveat - these are ballpark guesses - we need more hard evidence here)

This would explain why in most countries there was an initial sharp rise in cases and deaths as the virus burned through the % of the population with no immunity. After that, it most cases it has died away to virtually nothing (caveat is France - need to keep an eye on that). It also helps to explain why Sweden, a country that did not lockdown, also has very few cases now. The virus burnt itself out. It also suggests there will be no second wave and we are through the worst.

Obviously this is a theory backed with some limited evidence at the moment but if correct it has massive implications for how we move forward (vaccines, T cell immunity testing, lockdown measures etc).

Any thoughts?

 

[Uncle C]

I needed to pop into town on my way home, got there and people (correctly )in masks everywhere.

Just couldn’t be arsed to walk around in the shops with a mask so went home home and ordered online

The masks are putting people off spending money - think we will see a quicker recovery when the mask using is decreased.

No, the masks are putting you off. Don't tar us all with the same brush. I don't go anywhere unless everyone is wearing a mask

 

[Uncle C]

Can't see this discussed on here so far - sorry if it has. It's the XYZ theory of herd immunity for which there are a growing number of scientific papers in support of.

It works like this. X, Y and Z are three variables. Z is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 and developed antibodies. Y is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 in a very mild form and did not develop antibodies but did develop T cell immunity. And X is the % of the population who had a pre existing immunity to COVID 19. How is it possible to have a pre existing immunity? The theory is that if you have had a variety of the common cold virus (another corona virus) similar enough to COVID 19, you will have the T cells that will protect you from COVID 19.

A report published in Science on 04/08/2020 suggest up to 50% of the population have pre existing immunity to COVID 19.

So lets say X is 50%, Y is 20% and Z is 10%. We will be getting close to herd immunity without a vaccine. (caveat - these are ballpark guesses - we need more hard evidence here)

This would explain why in most countries there was an initial sharp rise in cases and deaths as the virus burned through the % of the population with no immunity. After that, it most cases it has died away to virtually nothing (caveat is France - need to keep an eye on that). It also helps to explain why Sweden, a country that did not lockdown, also has very few cases now. The virus burnt itself out. It also suggests there will be no second wave and we are through the worst.

Obviously this is a theory backed with some limited evidence at the moment but if correct it has massive implications for how we move forward (vaccines, T cell immunity testing, lockdown measures etc).

History teaches us a different story

 

[sydney]

History teaches us a different story

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enough of your doomsday negativity....people are generally a lot better nourished now than in the early 1900's , this virus bollox and the worldwide lockdown has done peoples heads in enough , i would quite happily jump on a plane to India tomorrow and take my chance ...cheers

incidentally , did you know that there has been an oil well on fire in north eastern India for nearly 2 months.......rivers polluted , 10's of thousands of people driven off their lands , 60 km's away India and China are having regular skirmishes over a disputed border area , some reports say over 500 soldiers have been killed , but you worry about masks....go on....ffs.

 

[Mellotron]

History teaches us a different story

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I don't see how this is in any way relevant to what [MENTION=6740]Pondicherry[/MENTION] has posted.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Trend continuing

https://twitter.com/anshul__k/status/1296056763976953858?s=21

 

[A1X]

Can't see this discussed on here so far - sorry if it has. It's the XYZ theory of herd immunity for which there are a growing number of scientific papers in support of.

It works like this. X, Y and Z are three variables. Z is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 and developed antibodies. Y is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 in a very mild form and did not develop antibodies but did develop T cell immunity. And X is the % of the population who had a pre existing immunity to COVID 19. How is it possible to have a pre existing immunity? The theory is that if you have had a variety of the common cold virus (another corona virus) similar enough to COVID 19, you will have the T cells that will protect you from COVID 19.

A report published in Science on 04/08/2020 suggest up to 50% of the population have pre existing immunity to COVID 19.

So lets say X is 50%, Y is 20% and Z is 10%. We will be getting close to herd immunity without a vaccine. (caveat - these are ballpark guesses - we need more hard evidence here)

This would explain why in most countries there was an initial sharp rise in cases and deaths as the virus burned through the % of the population with no immunity. After that, it most cases it has died away to virtually nothing (caveat is France - need to keep an eye on that). It also helps to explain why Sweden, a country that did not lockdown, also has very few cases now. The virus burnt itself out. It also suggests there will be no second wave and we are through the worst.

Obviously this is a theory backed with some limited evidence at the moment but if correct it has massive implications for how we move forward (vaccines, T cell immunity testing, lockdown measures etc).

Any thoughts?

What I think this proves more than anything is how imperative it is to develop and roll-out a proper antibody test system. Until then we can theorise and summarise but we're essentially fumbling in the dark.

 

[Mellotron]

What I think this proves more than anything is how imperative it is to develop and roll-out a proper anti-body test system. Until then we can theorise and summarise but we're essentially fumbling in the dark.

One that includes picking up T-Cell levels, yes. It would allow us a huge step forward.

 

[Me and my Monkey]

Wrong Thread - go and sit on the naughty step:

History teaches us a different story

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No, the masks are putting you off. Don't tar us all with the same brush. I don't go anywhere unless everyone is wearing a mask

Right thread, thank you:

Can't see this discussed on here so far - sorry if it has. It's the XYZ theory of herd immunity for which there are a growing number of scientific papers in support of.

It works like this. X, Y and Z are three variables. Z is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 and developed antibodies. Y is the % of the population who have had COVID 19 in a very mild form and did not develop antibodies but did develop T cell immunity. And X is the % of the population who had a pre existing immunity to COVID 19. How is it possible to have a pre existing immunity? The theory is that if you have had a variety of the common cold virus (another corona virus) similar enough to COVID 19, you will have the T cells that will protect you from COVID 19.

A report published in Science on 04/08/2020 suggest up to 50% of the population have pre existing immunity to COVID 19.

So lets say X is 50%, Y is 20% and Z is 10%. We will be getting close to herd immunity without a vaccine. (caveat - these are ballpark guesses - we need more hard evidence here)

This would explain why in most countries there was an initial sharp rise in cases and deaths as the virus burned through the % of the population with no immunity. After that, it most cases it has died away to virtually nothing (caveat is France - need to keep an eye on that). It also helps to explain why Sweden, a country that did not lockdown, also has very few cases now. The virus burnt itself out. It also suggests there will be no second wave and we are through the worst.

Obviously this is a theory backed with some limited evidence at the moment but if correct it has massive implications for how we move forward (vaccines, T cell immunity testing, lockdown measures etc).

Any thoughts?