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The Conservative Party leadership contest [Gove to run against Boris (oh, wait)]



Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
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Where is Boris? Hardly a peep since the referendum

Are you trying to imply that he's irresponsible, and goes missing while the ship is confronted by stormy conditions and needs its crew, in order to conjure up a new ship/captain/vision/all of the above?

It's all looking remarkably good for May, who has presented the most Conservative projection: strong, proven leadership.
 








Guinness Boy

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That's only possible if a party manifestos it and wins.

I think it's unstoppable without that.

It really isn't unstoppable. The single, only thing that confirms Brexit is the exercising of notice under Article 50 and we can only do that when we have made a decision to do so in line with our own constitutional requirements.

So a manifesto has nothing to do with it. We simply have to be sure that when the notice is exercised under the article there can be no legal challenge under a constitutional basis from either Scotland or Northern Ireland. We also have to have some sort of plan ready for negotiations on exit terms as those will commence immediately.

Those terms - and the way we handle the devolved parliaments - could vary greatly depending on which of these leaders is elected. They all seem ghastly to me anyway, it's like asking me to pick the best meal from a meat-free, gluten-free, salt-free, joy-free menu.
 


Machiavelli

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Interesting. I'm not sure I can be bothered to swot up on the Tory leadership election process. That said, Gove is up to something, and I'd quite like to have an educated guess (or read an educated guess from someone else) as to what it could be!

Bozza is right about the Tory election process. And I think you're right about Gove. Why on earth would he only mention one other candidate -- especially when that candidature is yet to be announced?
 






Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
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One thing that's interesting about the choice: for a party whose main support is in England, there are rather few English candidates. In fact, it looks likely that there won't be a single native-born Englishman standing. I bet that's never happened before
 






Machiavelli

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One thing that's interesting about the choice: for a party whose main support is in England, there are rather few English candidates. In fact, it looks likely that there won't be a single native-born Englishman standing. I bet that's never happened before

Fox and Gove, yes. But go on tell us where the rest were born.
 








wellquickwoody

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The toffs will be fighting amongst themselves for career ambition whilst the country which is needing leadership at the moment suffers, there is only one man at the moment showing the leadership that the country needs right now and that is Jeremy Corbyn

Ernest at his funniest!
 


wellquickwoody

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May just said " No triggering of Article 50 until the government is sure on it's negotiating position ....that will probably be at the end of the year ".... looks like Brexiteers will have to wait a little bit longer.

Another general election on the way!
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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I reckon Gove is only running to take out Boris. I don't think he's expecting to win, but he can scupper the buffoon.

Stephen Crabb is an interesting candidate. Born in Scotland, lived in Wales, bought up on a council estate. He has a strong belief in welfare (despite being a Tory) given his family survived on it for sometime. If Blair was Tory-lite, Crabb may well be Labour-lite.

Could have wide reaching appeal for those rejecting the elite, but unlikely the party will elect such a down to earth character.
 




Guinness Boy

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I reckon Gove is only running to take out Boris. I don't think he's expecting to win, but he can scupper the buffoon.

Stephen Crabb is an interesting candidate. Born in Scotland, lived in Wales, bought up on a council estate. He has a strong belief in welfare (despite being a Tory) given his family survived on it for sometime. If Blair was Tory-lite, Crabb may well be Labour-lite.

Could have wide reaching appeal for those rejecting the elite, but unlikely the party will elect such a down to earth character.

Not if they're gay.............
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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Not if they're gay.............

No, quite. Let us remember he is still a Tory, I'm only outlining how he might be seen against the rest, and he is not the only one with his hat in the ring that voted against that bill.

Nigel Adams (Selby & Ainsty), Adam Afriyie (Windsor), Peter Aldous (Waveney), David Amess (Southend West), Richard Bacon (Norfolk South), Guto Bebb (Aberconwy), Henry Bellingham (Norfolk North West), Sir Paul Beresford (Mole Valley), Andrew Bingham (High Peak), Nicola Blackwood (Oxford West & Abingdon), Peter Bone (Wellingborough), Graham Brady (Altrincham & Sale West), Julian Brazier (Canterbury), Andrew Bridgen (Leicestershire North West), Steve Brine (Winchester), Fiona Bruce (Congleton), Robert Buckland (Swindon South), Simon Burns (Chelmsford), David Burrowes (Enfield Southgate), Douglas Carswell (Clacton), Bill Cash (Stone), Rehman Chishti (Gillingham & Rainham), Christopher Chope (Christchurch), Therese Coffey (Suffolk Coastal), Geoffrey Cox (Devon West & Torridge), Stephen Crabb (Preseli Pembrokeshire), David Davies (Monmouth), Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire), Philip Davies (Shipley), David Davis (Haltemprice & Howden), Nick de Bois (Enfield North), Nadine Dorries (Bedfordshire Mid), Jackie Doyle-Price (Thurrock), Richard Drax (Dorset South), Philip Dunne (Ludlow), Charlie Elphicke (Dover), Graham Evans (Weaver Vale), Jonathan Evans (Cardiff North), David Evennett (Bexleyheath & Crayford), Dr Liam Fox (Somerset North), Mark Francois (Rayleigh & Wickford), George Freeman (Norfolk Mid), Roger Gale (Thanet North), Sir Edward Garnier (Harborough), Mark Garnier (Wyre Forest), Cheryl Gillan (Chesham & Amersham), John Glen (Salisbury), Robert Goodwill (Scarborough & Whitby), James Gray (Wiltshire North), Andrew Griffiths (Burton), Robert Halfon (Harlow), Simon Hart (Carmarthen West & Pembrokeshire South), Sir Alan Haselhurst (Saffron Walden), John Hayes (South Holland & The Deepings), Oliver Heald (Hertfordshire North East), Gordon Henderson (Sittingbourne & Sheppey), Philip Hollobone (Kettering), Adam Holloway (Gravesham), Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot), Stewart Jackson (Peterborough), Gareth Johnson (Dartford), David Jones (Clwyd West), Marcus Jones (Nuneaton), Chris Kelly (Dudley South), Kwasi Kwarteng (Spelthorne), Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford), Edward Leigh (Gainsborough), Julian Lewis (New Forest East), Ian Liddell-Grainger (Bridgwater & Somerset West), David Lidington (Aylesbury), Peter Lilley (Hitchin & Harpenden), Jonathan Lord (Woking), Tim Loughton (Worthing East & Shoreham), Karen Lumley (Redditch), Karl McCartney (Lincoln), Anne McIntosh (Thursk and Malton), Stephen McPartland (Stevenage), Esther McVey (Wirral West), Anne Main (St Albans), Paul Maynard (Blackpool North & Cleveleys), Stephen Metcalfe (Basildon South & Thurrock East), Anne Milton (Guildford), Nicky Morgan (Loughborough), Anne-Marie Morris (Newton Abbot), David Morris (Morecambe & Lunesdale), James Morris (Halesowen & Rowley Regis), Bob Neill (Bromley & Chislehurst), David Nuttall (Bury North), Stephen O’Brien (Eddisbury), Matthew Offord (Hendon), Jim Paice (Cambridgeshire South East), Neil Parish (Tiverton & Honiton), Priti Patel (Witham), Owen Paterson (Shropshire North), Mark Pawsey (Rugby), Mike Penning (Hemel Hempstead), Mark Pritchard (Wrekin, The), John Redwood (Wokingham), Jacob Rees-Mogg (Somerset North East), Sir Malcolm Rifkind (Kensington), Andrew Robathan (Leicestershire South), Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury), Andrew Rosindell (Romford), David Rutley (Macclesfield), Lee Scott (Ilford North), Andrew Selous (Bedfordshire South West), Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet & Rothwell), Sir Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills), Henry Smith (Crawley), Sir John Stanley (Tonbridge & Malling), John Stevenson (Carlisle), Bob Stewart (Beckenham), Mel Stride (Devon Central), Julian Sturdy (York Outer), Robert Syms (Poole), David Tredinnick (Bosworth), Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight), Shailesh Vara (Cambridgeshire North West), Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes), Ben Wallace (Wyre & Preston North), Robert Walter (Dorset North), James Wharton (Stockton South), Heather Wheeler (Derbyshire South), Craig Whittaker (Calder Valley), John Whittingdale (Maldon), Bill Wiggin (Herefordshire North), Gavin Williamson (Staffordshire South), Jeremy Wright (Kenilworth & Southam)
 


vegster

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May 5, 2008
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No sign of Boris yet... maybe he is going to support Gove ?... then try to pick up the reins after the Poison Dwarf has negotiated for Brexit and we find the only deal is a crap deal ?
 






Grombleton

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Dec 31, 2011
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Upon looking at the runners.

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