Lord Bracknell
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Churchill was a LABOUR prime minister? Blimey! I never realised.
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The break up of The United Kingdom.
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Churchill was a LABOUR prime minister? Blimey! I never realised.
pork pie
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No, it was given preference to the English naval bases in defence reviews.
Lord Bracknell
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Only because the English establishment preferred Glasgow over Portsmouth as the potential target for a nuclear attack.
[... he says, flippantly]
pork pie
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The first few posts seem to be ignoring the fact that the Scottish Assembly is allowed to vote for its own independence now, it's not England's to "grant".
Scotland actually increased its Labour share of the vote on Thursday, with the Tories only retaining their one solitary seat - and one on the English border at that.
They are apparently particularly unhappy about the English press treatment of Gordon Brown, which they feel was unfair and prolonged vilifacation (and I agree with them), long before "bigot-gate".
A long Tory government could well break the Union, particularly if it behaved as during the Thatcher years. They don't have to stay anymore.
The Tories flag waving could end up destroying the Union with Scotland, making the UK far less important internationally (if we are anyway, after all the Euro bailout is this week's biggest story), throwing Northern Ireland wide open (though the demographics are on the nationalist side anyway). I'd say Cameron had better tread carefully.
Scotland actually increased its Labour share of the vote on Thursday, with the Tories only retaining their one solitary seat - and one on the English border at that.
They are apparently particularly unhappy about the English press treatment of Gordon Brown, which they feel was unfair and prolonged vilifacation (and I agree with them), long before "bigot-gate".
A long Tory government could well break the Union, particularly if it behaved as during the Thatcher years. They don't have to stay anymore.
The Tories flag waving could end up destroying the Union with Scotland, making the UK far less important internationally (if we are anyway, after all the Euro bailout is this week's biggest story), throwing Northern Ireland wide open (though the demographics are on the nationalist side anyway). I'd say Cameron had better tread carefully.
Two Professors
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Think some areas of Portsmouth & Glasgow could be vastly improved by nuclear engineering
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And Brum,come to that 
Working class pride
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It was a Scottish King that created the union, nobody ever asked the English people. If Scotland and Englan went their own way then not many English would shed a tear - it would save us a fortune, they can the take the scousers as well if they want. You got the Irish question right, why England have taken all this shit to bail out a few Scottish settlers in the irish northern six counties is also something that will end in a generation or two.
Lord Bracknell
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Not strictly true.
The crown of Scotland united with the crown of England in 1603, when King James VI decided to devalue himself and become King James I.
The two nations remained independent of each other, each with their own separate parliament, until the Act of Union in 1707. And that was negotiated by parliamentary commissioners, who - theoretically, at least - represented the people, rather than the King (or Queen Anne, as he was known at the time).
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they had seperate parliaments but had the same head of state - the king. the deed was done, nobody asked the english or scottish people. If the bonny jocks want independence, all the very best, cheerio, and we will throw in the scousers
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If we're going to break up the UK, I think we're all entitled to a say in a referendum.
public school boy
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Could Scotland survive on it's own without financial help fro Westminster?
What would happen if we say yes and the Scots and the Welsh say no? And that's not a totally implausible result.
So you think that Australia, New Zealand and Canada are members of the United Kingdom? An interesting view but one that I don't think will be supported by many people.
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England at last gets its independence back from the Scottish / Stewart invasion... Oh ad the six counties of ireland can be united with the 28
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It was a tad different in Stewart times my friend, being King did not mean that you spent your time having tv shots of dancing with the locals to show you were down with the locals like nowadays. it sort of meant a bit more
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is that our problem?
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In Europe -- and that includes the UK, UKIP be damned -- there's a movement towards more particularity and devolution of power to regions and away from the center -- Wales, Scotland, Catalunya; Walloons and Flemings (there's basically no Belgium except Brussels any more).
Sometime in my children's lifetime England will be just another province of the EU.
Sometime in my children's lifetime England will be just another province of the EU.
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Not at all. Let Scotland decide. The sooner England is released from the Union the better.
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Possibly and for how any hundreds of years was England a part of the greater Roman Empire? There is now a form of democracy however and unlike the formation of Britain, the people will have some kind of a say