[Politics] The Battle For Britain's Heroes

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Nice to see this thread going so well.

 

[BadFish]

Hang on, that’s English people being enslaved right, which doesn’t fit with the self loathing liberal narrative here so can’t you just take your historical facts and do one instead?

This 'whataboutism' has no effect on the 'narrative' you refer to.

 

[Goldstone1976]

Some wealthy and influential people will always screw over people...[and]... play dirty to maintain their position and squash reform. Some wealthy and influential people always help others and push for favourable reform.

Such as Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates?

 

[The Clamp]

Such as Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates?

I was thinking more your Philip Green's (fat greedy *******) Vs your Peter Lampl's (philanthropist and man behind banning private ownership of hand guns in the wake of Dunblane), an amazing individual who demonstrates that people outside of politics can change things massively.

 

[The Clamp]

We still have slaves, now they are on zero hours contracts or if they are lucky, Minimum Wage.

True. We still actually do have slaves though, and it's legalised. It's the American Prison Industrial Complex who literally generate arrests to get people into private prisons to work for multi national companies. It's insane. And it's not some nutjob conspiracy theory, it's real. Check out the documentary "Surviving Prison" on Netflix. It's a real eye opener. And with companies such as G4 opening private prisons in the UK it won't be long before we are in the same position. It's genuinely scary.

 

[Goldstone1976]

I was thinking more your Philip Green's (fat greedy *******) Vs your Peter Lampl's (philanthropist and man behind banning private ownership of hand guns in the wake of Dunblane), an amazing individual who demonstrates that people outside of politics can change things massively.

Sir Peter is a remarkable man. In addition to the hand gun action, he also set up (and initially funded) the Sutton Trust - a charity trying to improve social mobility through enhanced education opportunities for kids from deprived backgrounds.

 

[The Clamp]

Sir Peter is a remarkable man. In addition to the hand gun action, he also set up (and initially funded) the Sutton Trust - a charity trying to improve social mobility through enhanced education opportunities for kids from deprived backgrounds.

He is tremendous. I heard him on Desert Island Discs a few weeks back and looked him up. What a man.
It is people like this that should be consulted on Brexit, people who know how and where to spend money.

 

[carlzeiss]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-44884913

Manchester students deface poem by 'racist' Kipling

Students have defaced a mural featuring Rudyard Kipling's If in a stand against his "racist" work.

The author's 1895 poem was painted on a wall of Manchester University's newly renovated union building.

But student leaders erased the work, replacing it with a piece by Maya Angelou in a bid to reverse "black and brown voices" being written out of history.

The union has apologised for failing to consult students on its choice of poem.
'Terribly crude'

Riddi Viswanathan, student union diversity officer, said elected members representing students felt Kipling was "not in line with our values", singling out his poem The White Man's Burden.

"It's important for us to represent the voices of black and brown students, which is why we felt Rudyard Kipling's poem was completely inappropriate," she said.

But Jan Montefiore, professor emeritus of 20th century literature at Kent University and author of a 2007 book on Kipling, said it was "terribly crude and simplistic to dismiss Kipling as a racist".

If was painted on the wall of the building's Leaders Lounge during renovations of the union building, which is named after South African anti-apartheid campaigner Steve Biko.

The work was painted white on 13 July before being replaced with Angelou's Still I Rise, which was chosen by the union's executive committee, on 16 July.

Sara Khan, liberation and access officer at the union, wrote on Facebook that Kipling's "racist" work supported the role of the British Empire and Angelou's poem was chosen as a "reclamation of history by those who have been oppressed by the likes of Kipling for so many centuries".

Kipling was born in India in 1865 and worked as a journalist while he wrote many of his early works, which included The Jungle Book, published in 1894.

In 1907, he became the first English-language writer to receive the Nobel Prize for Literature.

 

[alfredmizen]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-44884913

Manchester students deface poem by 'racist' Kipling

Students have defaced a mural featuring Rudyard Kipling's If in a stand against his "racist" work.

The author's 1895 poem was painted on a wall of Manchester University's newly renovated union building.

But student leaders erased the work, replacing it with a piece by Maya Angelou in a bid to reverse "black and brown voices" being written out of history.

The union has apologised for failing to consult students on its choice of poem.
'Terribly crude'

Riddi Viswanathan, student union diversity officer, said elected members representing students felt Kipling was "not in line with our values", singling out his poem The White Man's Burden.

"It's important for us to represent the voices of black and brown students, which is why we felt Rudyard Kipling's poem was completely inappropriate," she said.

But Jan Montefiore, professor emeritus of 20th century literature at Kent University and author of a 2007 book on Kipling, said it was "terribly crude and simplistic to dismiss Kipling as a racist".

If was painted on the wall of the building's Leaders Lounge during renovations of the union building, which is named after South African anti-apartheid campaigner Steve Biko.

The work was painted white on 13 July before being replaced with Angelou's Still I Rise, which was chosen by the union's executive committee, on 16 July.

Sara Khan, liberation and access officer at the union, wrote on Facebook that Kipling's "racist" work supported the role of the British Empire and Angelou's poem was chosen as a "reclamation of history by those who have been oppressed by the likes of Kipling for so many centuries".

Kipling was born in India in 1865 and worked as a journalist while he wrote many of his early works, which included The Jungle Book, published in 1894.

In 1907, he became the first English-language writer to receive the Nobel Prize for Literature.

Should have charged these ********s with criminal damage

 

[The Clamp]

Those students should have been expelled. We don't take a strong enough stand to defend our greats.