The AXE man...

[heathgate]

Dear me.


Thats better.

Are you apologists going to continue to throw this tenuous mental health line out as an excuse for every act of mass violence perpetuated by these religious fanatics

Don't edit my posts please, it's very infantile.

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[The Clamp]

Doesn't always mean Islamic Extremism:

In May, a man reportedly shouting "Allahu akbar" killed a man and wounded three others in a knife attack at a railway station near the German city of Munich.
He was later sent to a psychiatric hospital and authorities said they had found no links to Islamic extremism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36265183

I'm sure he is mental. he's also an extremist and should be dealt with as such. Sorry, but in times such as these we simply don't have the time or energy to start psychoanalysing these freaks. My opinion? You come onto a train, waving an axe an shouting Aluha Akbhar, I'd really rather the police fire off ten rounds into his skull than dilly dally around wondering of he's an extremist/ a bit upset/confused/head mental. Thanks.

 

[East Preston Gull]

Doesn't always mean Islamic Extremism:

In May, a man reportedly shouting "Allahu akbar" killed a man and wounded three others in a knife attack at a railway station near the German city of Munich.
He was later sent to a psychiatric hospital and authorities said they had found no links to Islamic extremism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36265183

I heard on the radio that are going over this case again because of new links to radicalisation that have come to light.
It was mentioned in an interview on 5live this morning.

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[alfredmizen]

Doesn't always mean Islamic Extremism:

In May, a man reportedly shouting "Allahu akbar" killed a man and wounded three others in a knife attack at a railway station near the German city of Munich.
He was later sent to a psychiatric hospital and authorities said they had found no links to Islamic extremism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36265183

So its now a prerequisite that you MUST be working in conjunction with others for it to be islamic terrorism ?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

You can't rationalise the irrational can you?

Possibly not, but its worth trying, if it helps us understand the process of radicalization better, and prevent other attacks.

it would be a combination of these factors...

He made his way probably at great expense to the west, only to find that you still have to work for a living...

A 16 year old unaccompanied child? His passage would not have been made at the 'expense of the West', and he was of school age.

The sun doesn't shine that much...

In the centre of Germany, in July? It looks pretty sunny in the media reports of the attack, and its forecast to be 32 degrees tomorrow.

jihadi sites and video nasties....

Well as the authorizes have suggested that he rarely attended any mosque, this is probably true. Somewhere 'we' could be constructively focusing attention?

Dissatisfied with his lot, he wreaked his form of skewed revenge, as a thank you to the kind Europeans that have taken him in and fed and clothed him to date....

The Hong-Kong Chinese that he appears to have specifically targeted, were European?



I'm not sure if your reply was supposed to be funny? Apologies if I've missed the joke.
The current tensions are very worrying, and grown up investigation / debate / action is required.

 

[Insel affe]

Doesn't always mean Islamic Extremism:

In May, a man reportedly shouting "Allahu akbar" killed a man and wounded three others in a knife attack at a railway station near the German city of Munich.
He was later sent to a psychiatric hospital and authorities said they had found no links to Islamic extremism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36265183

Daesh actively recruit people with mental health problems as well as vulnerable people, I would lay good money on the table that there are hundreds of sleeping cells throughout Europe all willing and ready to carry out attacks. This will never end as long muslims walk the earth there will be some form of extremist organization willing to carry the jihad to non believers. That maybe hard to think of or you may think I am being racist, but it is a fact think about how long the west has been at odds with East on the subject of religion. We are suddenly not going to find an acceptable agreement they or we are willing to accept. I am fully aware of the wests part now and then and we are not innocent in this..... But moving forward..... Never ever going to happen....

I do not know the answer, or advocate any policies on the subject merely facing facts this will go on and on and on and on....

 

[Uh_huh_him]

It's getting worrying now. Neither the French or Germans seem to be able to cope with these incidents and seem to have no intelligence as to what is going on.

How we can be sure we are on top of it?

There is little that can be done to stop isolated nutters from committing an atrocity.
The three most recent attacks have all been committed by one individual at random locations.
I don't think there is any evidence to suggest these are part of a coordinated campaign.
That being the case there is going to be limited, if any, intelligence available.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Are you apologists going to continue to throw this tenuous mental health line out as an excuse for every act of mass violence perpetuated by these religious fanatics

Don't edit my posts please, it's very infantile.

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Most of us apologists understand that it's pretty much a pre-requisite to have mental health issues to commit these type of atrocities.
It seems that the opposite point of view is to believe the pre-requisite is to be Muslim.

Apparently this is a matter of opinion.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Went nuts on a train in Germany
Injured 15 and was shot dead...it never ends
http://news.sky.com/story/axe-wielding-attacker-injures-15-on-train-10505574

They killed him though

Not all bad news

 

[topbanana36]

Unfortunately this seems to be a daily occurrence currently, thankfully none in the UK for sometime, and hopefully our security services can keep it that way

Nothing whatsoever to do with Islam of course.

 

[heathgate]

The current tensions are very worrying, and grown up investigation / debate / action is required.

I have read enough if your opinions on most topics over the years to know that your 'look at me' posts are full of casual disdain and infantile barbs. Please don't sit yourself up on some higher ethical platform,... you are very ordinary.... don't forget it.

PS.. possibly the most spiteful and unpopular moderator in the history of NSC too.

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[Seagull58]

Most of us apologists understand that it's pretty much a pre-requisite to have mental health issues to commit these type of atrocities.
It seems that the opposite point of view is to believe the pre-requisite is to be Muslim.

Apparently this is a matter of opinion.

IS comprises tens of thousands of people, maybe hundreds of thousands. They are beheading, crucifying, torturing and amputating limbs from people who refuse to join their cause. They are commiting atrocities on a grand, genocidal scale. Are they all mentally ill?

 

[cjd]

They killed him though

Not all bad news

The silver lining on a very , very dark cloud.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I have read enough if your opinions on most topics over the years to know that your 'look at me' posts are full of casual disdain and infantile barbs. Please don't sit yourself up on some higher ethical platform,... you are very ordinary.... don't forget it.

PS.. possibly the most spiteful and unpopular moderator in the history of NSC too.

I'm absolutely not spiteful. Can't argue with anything else though.

 

[Buzzer]

Most of us apologists understand that it's pretty much a pre-requisite to have mental health issues to commit these type of atrocities.

Not necessarily. Not by a long chalk. There's countless examples of otherwise sane, rational people committing atrocities such as this where they are entirely politically motivated. Islam is an ideology and if you've been born into that and lived, eaten and slept it all your life and given that the Koran is morally dubious and bloodthirsty and if it's been taught by medieval hillbillies then it's not so difficult to understand why some people do the things they do. It's not because they're mentally ill but because they've been brainwashed.

So once again, I put blame not at the kid but at Islam.

 

[Insel affe]

Not necessarily. Not by a long chalk. There's countless examples of otherwise sane, rational people committing atrocities such as this where they are entirely politically motivated. Islam is an ideology and if you've been born into that and lived, eaten and slept it all your life and given that the Koran is morally dubious and bloodthirsty and if it's been taught by medieval hillbillies then it's not so difficult to understand why some people do the things they do. It's not because they're mentally ill but because they've been brainwashed.

So once again, I put blame not at the kid but at Islam.

The so-called Islamic State has released a video purporting to show an Afghan asylum seeker making threats before attacking a German train.
The 17-year-old injured four people with an axe and knife, one critically, in the attack in Wuerzburg on Monday evening. He was shot dead by police.
In the video, a young man brandishing a knife says he is an "IS soldier" preparing for a suicide mission.
German officials say they later found a hand-painted IS flag in his room.
The teenager reportedly shouted the Islamic phrase "Allahu akbar" ("God is great") during the attack

I still blame both, any decent person knows the difference between right and wrong, at some point you must question things.

 

[Danny-Boy]

The teenager reportedly shouted the Islamic phrase "Allahu akbar" ("God is great") during the attack.

Why do they always chant that? What is the significance of it?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Not necessarily. Not by a long chalk. There's countless examples of otherwise sane, rational people committing atrocities such as this where they are entirely politically motivated. Islam is an ideology and if you've been born into that and lived, eaten and slept it all your life and given that the Koran is morally dubious and bloodthirsty and if it's been taught by medieval hillbillies then it's not so difficult to understand why some people do the things they do. It's not because they're mentally ill but because they've been brainwashed.

So once again, I put blame not at the kid but at Islam.

You honestly believe the overriding ideology of Islam is to kill innocent people?
To take that further, you really believe that the teachings of Islam are directly and singularly responsible for a young man attacking a train full of strangers with an axe?

 

[Buzzer]

You honestly believe the overriding ideology of Islam is to kill innocent people?

Of course not, I don't think there is an over-riding ideology as such but there are plenty of verses where killing of non-Muslims isn't only justified but promoted. If a particularly bloodthirsty Imam or branch of Islam makes a big point of that then in an impressionable mind it can become God's work.

To take that further, you really believe that the teachings of Islam are directly and singularly responsible for a young man attacking a train full of strangers with an axe?

In this case, yes.

 

[Hastings gull]

Most of us apologists understand that it's pretty much a pre-requisite to have mental health issues to commit these type of atrocities.
It seems that the opposite point of view is to believe the pre-requisite is to be Muslim.

Apparently this is a matter of opinion.

Then most of you apologists are rather naïve, if you think that people doing dreadful things to others such as we heard about last night, must necessarily have mental health issues. If you hate enough, and have been brainwashed enough, then, sadly, sane and otherwise "normal" people are capable of anything. Also, somewhere in the mix in this case is the idea of Islam, whether you want to see it or not.