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[Cricket] The Ashes- England v Australia- 2nd Test, Lords, June 28 - July 02, 2023
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A good spanking from nanny is in order, you naughty boys.
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Yes, we couldn't work out who the people with Tony Bloom are.
Lenny Rider
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Obviously reported elsewhere but saw Cummins on the ITV news standing by the appeal and stating that Bairstow had done the self same thing in the 2019 series and in the First Test at Edgbaston?
Is he correct?
Is he correct?
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The closest comparison that I recall goes back to 1981, that glorious year, when I discovered the game. I listened in the early hours to the Indian tour on TMS. The fact that I loved hearing what was probably the dullest series ever means this was a 'till death do us part' marriage.
In Bombay, Kris Srikanth was having an excellent debut and was ran out by John Emburey after leaving the crease in the same way as today. Gavaskar, who would have been captain, has always had issues with the English being preachy- especially after Bob Taylor was recalled when claiming he didn't nick a ball a year earlier. I think he's right, we do have form and in fairness, especially when we look at the eventual outcome of the Bell incident, I've always found the Indians, although not perfect, to lead the way in the 'spirit of cricket'.
It was interesting how Morgan and Strauss had little sympathy today. Same for me. Us English do hypocrisy better than anyone else. I didn't like what I saw, and I wouldn't have allowed it at village level. But I wouldn't cry 'cheat' at Test match or ODI level. England has as much history as anyone else and less goodwill than some.
Is a batsman not walking when they are caught against the spirit of the game ? Maybe we should ask Stuart Broad
You can see what I mean about a value needing to be universally applied before it gets judged under the 'spirit of the game' law.Still, it adds spice to the affair and it's great entertainment. On that we can all agree.
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He said he did the same to Warner in the first test.
Warner was out dragging on to Broad, and then caught behind. He wasn't out stumped.
2019 series - there were two stumpings. This was one. The other was off Root's bowling, so probably similar, but I can't find an image.
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I don't think he successfully achieved it, but my creaking brain seems to be telling me England have attempted such things before.
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3 mcc members suspended,a few on here should be suspended too
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There may be a thread for that. A very private one. I think you have to send a message before you can join.
METALMICKY
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FFS Can people stop saying the Aussies didn't cheat. NOBODY has actually accused them of that and if they have they don't know the rules. The debate to be had is the around the spirit of the game
I tried to find a description of Srikkanth's dismissal, the best I can find is this article in hindi:The closest comparison that I recall goes back to 1981, that glorious year, when I discovered the game. I listened in the early hours to the Indian tour on TMS. The fact that I loved hearing what was probably the dullest series ever means this was a 'till death do us part' marriage.
In Bombay, Kris Srikanth was having an excellent debut and was ran out by John Emburey after leaving the crease in the same way as today. Gavaskar, who would have captain, has always has issues with the English being preachy- especially after Bob Taylor was recalled when claiming he didn't nick a ball a year earlier. I think he's right, we do have form and in fairness, especially when we look at the eventual outcome of the Bell incident, I've always found the Indians, although not perfect, to lead the way in the 'spirit of cricket'.
It was interesting how Morgan and Strauss had little sympathy today. Same for me. Us English do hypocrisy better than anyone else. I didn't like what I saw, and I wouldn't have allowed it at village level. But I wouldn't cry 'cheat' at Test match or ODI level. England has as much history as anyone else and less goodwill than some.
Is a batsman not walking when they are caught against the spirit of the game ? Maybe we should ask Stuart Broad
Still, it adds spice to the affair and it's great entertainment. On that we can all agree.
भारत को जिताया वर्ल्ड कप, डेब्यू टेस्ट में कर दी ऐसी चूक…कपिल देव के साथी का आज भी उड़ाया जाता है मजाक
टीम इंडिया अबतक एक टी20 वर्ल्ड कप और दो 50 ओवरों का विश्व कप अपने नाम कर चुकी है. साल 1983 में कपिल देव की कप्तानी में भारत विश्व कप जीता. फिर 2007 में धोनी के नेतृत्व में टी20 विश्व कप और फिर 2007 में 50 ओवरों का विश्व कप भारत की झोली में आया. Kris srikkanth Run Out in debut test Kapil...
hindi.news18.com
"Accident during test debut Chris Srikkanth's Test debut remains in controversy. In the first Test match of his career, this opening batsman of India made such a mistake that for a long time he remained a laughing stock in the team. Srikkanth made his Test debut during the match against England at Mumbai's Wankhede Stadium. He could not even open the account during the first innings. It was expected that runs would come from Srikanth's bat in the second innings, but due to his own mistake, he was out in this innings on a personal score of just 13 runs.
Actually, Srikanth is known as explosive batter but he was playing tuktuk in this match. They don't like doing that much. During batting, he was explaining to himself that he has to play slowly. At the score of 13 runs, he hit the ball in the direction of slip near John Embury. There was no run on this ball. Srikanth thought that he would throw the bad ball at the bowling end so that the next ball could be thrown. He himself was out of the crease. Meanwhile, the English player hit the ball directly on the wicket at the striker's end. In this way, Srikanth lost the wicket due to his own mistake.
After getting out, Srikanth sat on the pitch holding his head. At that time Nawab Pataudi was doing commentary. He said on Srikanth's move that it seemed that Srikanth had gone out for a walk on Juhu Beach. After returning to the pavilion, Srikkanth was also made fun of by Kapil Dev and Sunil Gavaskar."
That's been put through Google translate, obviously. I can't read hindi.
I'd suggest there's a difference between walking out of your crease after letting the ball go through to the keeper, and hitting the ball to slip before going for a wander.
To be honest though, I'm not going to worry about seeming hypocritical based on incidents from more than 10 years before I was born.
Interestingly the Wisden report suggests Gower was previously run out by Srikkanth from short leg in perculiar circumstances, while making no reference at all to the Srikkanth's later dismissal. Which may suggest a degree of one-eyedness on the part of the report writer
I don't think it's cheating, and I think it's daft from Bairstow. But that doesn't stop it being a snide way to get somebody out.
Apart from anything else, I paid good money for my NowTV subscription, and I didn't pay it to watch anybody get dismissed by a gentle underarm from 15yds away while they weren't looking.
ManOfSussex
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That's why Jacob Rees-Mogg still employs his.
I think most people on this thread get that. I certainly do.
If you take the laws of the game literally then batsmen could be out all the time via hit twice or handled the ball. Pretty much every time a defensive shot drops it dead at the batsman’s feet he’ll give it to the fielder in some way. Any appeal and he’s out. It’s just an unwritten rule that you don’t.
Actually, it just occurred to me that the best measure of how long ago that Bombay test took place is that not only was it before I was born, it was before James Anderson was born.The closest comparison that I recall goes back to 1981, that glorious year, when I discovered the game. I listened in the early hours to the Indian tour on TMS. The fact that I loved hearing what was probably the dullest series ever means this was a 'till death do us part' marriage.
In Bombay, Kris Srikanth was having an excellent debut and was ran out by John Emburey after leaving the crease in the same way as today. Gavaskar, who would have captain, has always has issues with the English being preachy- especially after Bob Taylor was recalled when claiming he didn't nick a ball a year earlier. I think he's right, we do have form and in fairness, especially when we look at the eventual outcome of the Bell incident, I've always found the Indians, although not perfect, to lead the way in the 'spirit of cricket'.
It was interesting how Morgan and Strauss had little sympathy today. Same for me. Us English do hypocrisy better than anyone else. I didn't like what I saw, and I wouldn't have allowed it at village level. But I wouldn't cry 'cheat' at Test match or ODI level. England has as much history as anyone else and less goodwill than some.
Is a batsman not walking when they are caught against the spirit of the game ? Maybe we should ask Stuart Broad
Still, it adds spice to the affair and it's great entertainment. On that we can all agree.
Bold Seagull
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Has anyone been stumped off a bouncer before today!?
Bit embarrassing for Green tbh.
Thing is with a stumping it’s about the batsman out of his crease to the ball, or off balance or going for a run. Bairstow did none of these things, didn’t attempt to hit it, didn’t attempt to run. The ball was effectively dead once caught by the keeper. He actually paused to mark his guard then left his crease - it was absolutely clear he thought it was dead.
Bit embarrassing for Green tbh.
Thing is with a stumping it’s about the batsman out of his crease to the ball, or off balance or going for a run. Bairstow did none of these things, didn’t attempt to hit it, didn’t attempt to run. The ball was effectively dead once caught by the keeper. He actually paused to mark his guard then left his crease - it was absolutely clear he thought it was dead.
Eh ? Standard practice to check with a fielder before you pick it up.……very quick ‘ok mate?’ followed by ‘thank you bat’.
That’s my precise point. Exactly what we always did in village and league. But if they then appeal then, in the laws of the game, it’s out. Fail to withdraw that appeal and you’re not exactly having a beer with the oppo after.
Standard practice not to run someone out going for an end of over chat, no?