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[Cricket] The Ashes- England v Australia- 2nd Test, Lords, June 28 - July 02, 2023
- Thread starter Eeyore
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Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
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Yes you’re right, although Pope would have done something daft sooner or later
nwgull
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Disappointing to give away those 3 cheap wickets in the last 2 hours (although 90 for 3 isn’t a disasterous middle-order collapse) but definitely a good day.
At the start of play the Aussies could have been on for 500, so any England fan would have taken us to have only a 138 deficit and 6 wickets remaining at the close. We’ll probably be declaring with a 10 run lead just before lunch.
At the start of play the Aussies could have been on for 500, so any England fan would have taken us to have only a 138 deficit and 6 wickets remaining at the close. We’ll probably be declaring with a 10 run lead just before lunch.
- Apr 5, 2014
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- #366
I would laugh, but that's not a joke.
I did think while following the score during England's opening partnership, that Australia genuinely would have been better off declaring with about 10 overs left yesterday and giving their bowlers a go at us under cloud cover with the lights on.
Even after those wickets later in the day, I suspect that might still be true given how well they did in similar conditions on the 3rd evening at Edgbaston.
His fingers don’t have to be under the ball. If he catches it cleanly while it is in the air, and then proceeds to ground it (whilst still in control of it) it is still out.
He has to be in control of his own body as well, so if the ball touches the ground while he's diving/sliding to take the catch it should be not out even if the fielder has a firm grip of the ball.
Since I mentioned Ian Chappell earlier, I see he's still not made up with Ian Botham. 
www.mirror.co.uk
Ashes rivals Botham and Chappell clash over 45-year feud with "coward" jibe
England legend Ian Botham and former Australia captain Ian Chappell have been feuding for over 45 years and came face-to-face in a new documentary, with Chappell branding Botham a "coward" and the all-rounder calling his rival "sad and lonely"
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Saw that on Twitter, the most awkward TV exchange I can remember seeingSince I mentioned Ian Chappell earlier, I see he's still not made up with Ian Botham.
Ashes rivals Botham and Chappell clash over 45-year feud with "coward" jibe
England legend Ian Botham and former Australia captain Ian Chappell have been feuding for over 45 years and came face-to-face in a new documentary, with Chappell branding Botham a "coward" and the all-rounder calling his rival "sad and lonely"
Pair of absolute dicks.Since I mentioned Ian Chappell earlier, I see he's still not made up with Ian Botham.
Ashes rivals Botham and Chappell clash over 45-year feud with "coward" jibe
England legend Ian Botham and former Australia captain Ian Chappell have been feuding for over 45 years and came face-to-face in a new documentary, with Chappell branding Botham a "coward" and the all-rounder calling his rival "sad and lonely"
I'd say about 5% of what Ian Chappell says is actually insightful about batting or captaincy.
And 90% is bitter moaning.
The remaining 5% would be useful if I were planning on getting into an industrial dispute with the ACB or South Australian Cricket Association in the early 70s.
Sheebo
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- Jul 13, 2003
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Not sure I read the rules area that - doesn’t say anything about grounding it and the ball being alllwed to touch the ground?
33.3 Making a catch
The act of making a catch shall start from the time when the ball first comes into contact with a fielder’s person and shall end when a fielder obtains complete control over both the ball and his/her own movement.
Caught Law | MCC
Official Caught Law. Read the statement of the Caught Law. Understand the rules of Caught Law with e-learning & animations.
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- Apr 5, 2014
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- #375
The flaky area is the definition of 'ground'. The grass is not the ground. But the firm beneath it is. Generally speaking, if a player has his fingers underneath a low catch, and his hand is on the grass, it will be awarded unless it is apparent that the ground is involved in the stability of the catch (as in the ball is clearly grounded beneath his holding fingers). It's pretty much impossible to take a catch at pitch level without the ball touching a blade of grass.
The key issue is the soft signal of the umpire.
Cameron Green's catch is a tough one as his fingers were so spread. I thought Smith's, looking a the real time replay and hand movement, was okay.
But it's such a grey area.
Or a green one.
The soft signal was removed a few months (weeks?) ago.
The decision has to be taken by the 3rd umpire based purely on the available camera angles.
Realistically you can't tell from a magnified image recorded from about 70yds away whether the ball is just in contact with the ground or not. And the camera will tend to make the ball look closer to the ground than it actually is.
That said, I thought Smith's catch looked fine, even if I was hoping the 3rd umpire would take the opposite view.
The caught law makes no reference to grass, it shouldn't matter if a few blades are touching the ball through the fielders fingers or not.
- Apr 5, 2014
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Blimey, yes, the soft signal has gone.
Poor third umpire. Stand to be hated by whole continents.
I was yelling at the third ump to tell him it was grounded. But actually, it was a pretty good catch.
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