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Why oh why oh why?
Whenever you (or others) post the HILARIOUS term "TDS" it makes me think of this.
What will Trump have to do, beyond all the stupid, harmful and offensive things he's done to date, for you to stop believing in him?
Trouble is - it seems hard to discuss the issues. The main question on this thread has always been 'what is it that makes people vote Trump given all we know about him?'. And that's really what I am interested in - what drives people to support him, what do they really think he will do for them. And that question rarely gets answered directly by those supporting Trump - so it's difficult to discuss!
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It might be hilarious on the face of it but an NSC member telling someone they have a ‘bad case of TDS‘ is a deliberately offensive and partisan slur, a pejorative term used by MAGA supporters to portray those that are anti-Trump as being mentally deficient or having a psychiatric illness. Given the number of times I have been trolled because of my autism and accused of having mental health problems (which isn’t a mental illness but neurodivergence), I’m pretty sure that CD knew what he was doing when he applied that term to me and not to any other poster on this thread, and is telling in itself about his trolling habits.
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Yep, exactly and your genuine enquiring approach is the only spirit in which true debate can take place imo. I have however, come to the conclusion that I think you are not going to get anywhere trying to get these answers out of CD - as @chickens says above.
I have found @lasvegan easy to converse with and seems at least open to flexible thinking and has coherency and objectivity in his posts but apart from that, who else is there on NSC that confesses to being a Trump supporter? Finding a Trump supporter who can articulate intelligent policy reasons why they support Trump is a tough ask frankly imo even beyond the forum because Trump himself is not a rational orator and his personal proclivities tend to drown out any considered response to what he is saying about policy.
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It’s really not that complicated, just idealogical. Trump may be a bad man, but I also believe Biden (or whoever is running him) is a bad man. Which brings up another serious question, we don’t really know who is, do we? It is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?
I know that people think the Republican Party has gone far right, but I also believe the Democrat Party is now far left, socialist even. I just want to live my life as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible, nothing more, nothing less. I want nothing to do with Socialism, and that’s where the democrats are taking us. If I voice an opinion, or post something from a conservative site, I just get told my opinions are worthless as the source is untrustworthy. You can’t have a debate when people aren’t interested in the other side of the story.
I’m not sure that it is deliberately offensive and partisan, but I do believe TDS is a real thing. People let him get so far under their skin they say the most ridiculous and disturbing things. There is someone on here who posted the the most deranged piece that I’ve ever read.
I was going to take a couple of days off of this thread, but you buttered me up with your kind words, so here I am. Half of my friends have completely opposite views to myself, but we remain friends anyway. We just agree to disagree.
You've written quite a lot that can easily be picked at but:-
is obvious he no longer has the mental acuity to be the leader of the “free world”, in which case why would someone even consider voting for him?
is where the whole house of cards falls down.
I'd let it pass were it not for the mental acuity of your man animosity
Which I'd suggest is THE main point to all of this.
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Firstly you cannot compare Trump to Biden.
Just take it from the facts, grab 'em by the p, paying off porn stars, multiple court cases, not paying workers etc etc etc.
Ok you might think Biden is a bad man, Hunter's laptop, sniffing kids or whatever bollocks but they are are in no comparison to all the stuff we think we know about Trump.
To compare the two as "bad man" is ridiculous.
To protect your ideology, presumably pretty far right, so you care about nobody but you and yours, you are prepared to let a egotistic man child become president again where he'll probably have carte blanche to do whatever he wants.
I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
The thing for me is that it is not just the President themselves that are important - it's all that comes along with them. No-one person really makes all the decisions (apart maybe from Putin), but shapes the direction and decision making of those along with them and working with them.
And that's where the vast difference is between Biden and Trump for me. Biden could gradually go senile, but the general direction of travel wold remain the same and guided by his overall beliefs. Same with Trump - except diametrically the opposite direction of travel. And it's why anyone would choose the latter direction that puzzles me.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Nutshell. Laughable that Americans consider Democrats as Socialist. wtf. Has there ever been a nation more paranoid about any governance?
This is a great cover of CoP.
I’ve heard the mantra preached, many times, on why Americans love Trump. Those that adore the Orange Blob do so because he is ‘like’ them it’s frequently claimed.
1. Loud.
2. Overweight.
3. Obnoxious
4. Arrogant
5. Narcissistic
6. Dishonest
Etc
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Well at least Britain wouldn't be stupid enough to vote for a loud, overweight, arrogant, narcissistic liar ................... Oh
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Not their best song but I used to love this band in the early 90s. I have a signed copy of a Time's Up promo.
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Let’s not kid ourselves that Trump’s rise to power is all about cult of personality- the Republican Party has moved further to the right in recent years than the Dems have moved to the left - the alternatives to Trump (eg Ron DeSantis ) would have been even worse on a policy basis. Moderates and less religious zealots have left the Party leaving the GOP radicalised by fundamentalist and hard right nationalists - it is lazy thinking to suggest this election‘s priorities are all about keeping Trump out - it masks the heinous beast that the Republican Party has now become, Trump or not and how it is being increasingly influenced by politicians like Mark Robinson:
www.theguardian.com
America is so polarised and entrenched in hate that Jan 6 may just have been a warning of worse to come - Trump posting a video of a photo of Biden hogtied at the back of a puck-up has caused ‘outrage’ as did Comedy artist, Kathy Griffin’s stand up stunt holding an image of Trump’s head - both horrible and violent expressions from opposite sides of the political canyon dividing America:
Far-right candidates see Super Tuesday wins at traditional Republicans’ expense
Highest-profile victory goes to Mark Robinson, a Hitler-quoting anti-abortion extremist who will now run for North Carolina governor
www.theguardian.com
America is so polarised and entrenched in hate that Jan 6 may just have been a warning of worse to come - Trump posting a video of a photo of Biden hogtied at the back of a puck-up has caused ‘outrage’ as did Comedy artist, Kathy Griffin’s stand up stunt holding an image of Trump’s head - both horrible and violent expressions from opposite sides of the political canyon dividing America:
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Seagull58
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But capping the price of insulin at $35 so those damned diabetics can avoid diabetic coma and death is, surely, socialism in its most virulent form and must be eradicated (along with the "perfidious jews").
*this may be an attempt at satire.
Seagull58
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The GOP is, to an extent but not as yet completely, controlled by Christofascists. Even more worryingly, so is the SCOTUS. Even more worryingly still, the SCOTUS contains corrupt Christofascists who have been appointed for life. Despite very clear evidence of Thomas's corruption over more than 20 years (and recent evidence that Allito is also "dirty") there is no clear path to remove them.American elections have always been about voting for the ‘man’ not the Party - cult of personality goes hand in hand with electing a POTUS - not so much in British politics except perhaps Tony Blair and BoJo both leaders in recent years, very much voted in on what personal attributes they’ve sold to the electorate IMO. Bizarrely, not being the ‘right’ personality (and thus electability) seems to have more impact in internal leadership elections in British politics than it does in American politics where they seem not to care how much electability a candidate has.
However, let’s not kid ourselves that Trump’s rise to power is all about cult of personality- the Republican Party has moved further to the right in recent years than the Dems have moved to the left - the alternatives to Trump (eg Ron DeSantis ) would have been even worse on a policy basis. Moderates and less religious zealots have left the Party leaving the GOP radicalised by fundamentalist and hard right nationalists - it is lazy thinking to suggest this election‘s priorities are all about keeping Trump out - it masks the heinous beast that the Republican Party has now become, Trump or not and how it is being increasingly influenced by politicians like Mark Robinson:
Far-right candidates see Super Tuesday wins at traditional Republicans’ expense
Highest-profile victory goes to Mark Robinson, a Hitler-quoting anti-abortion extremist who will now run for North Carolina governor
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I would argue that if your reason for not voting Biden is his mental acuity, you can’t seriously consider voting for Trump. Who’s running him?
This shows a high degree of political naivety. The Democrats are a centre-right party who are roughly equivalent to what the Conservative Party used to be here in Britain, although the current Conservative Party has moved to the right of them. Nowhere have the Democrats tried to end private ownership or curb the progress of business. They have correctly identified that trickle down economics is bullshit, and are suggesting that organisations pay their workers enough to live, but that’s still a capitalist move, as skint people can’t spend.
Republicans talk the talk of small government, but have never delivered on their talk, regardless of who’s leading them.
The simple fact of the matter is that all legislation must be enforced, which then requires an increase in the number of Civil Servants required. So for each civil or technological advancement that can potentially be misused, laws and regulations must come into place to deal with them. A functioning government can only grow as its society does.
Sensible individuals accept this as the cost of doing business and chip in their tax dollars, there’s always a few (in America a lot) who consider all tax theft.
They say this as kings of their domains, but they’d be the first to cry when a bigger boy came along and took what they considered theirs, if there wasn’t enforceable legislation there to protect them.
I can promise you that America has never even flirted with a socialist idea.