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Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    413
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Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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I don’t have any evidence other than what I’ve read and what he has achieved. I guess it all depends on what source you deem more reliable, the “rabid right” or the “looney left”.
Yep those 6 corporate bankruptcies don't happen on their own.
 










BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
18,222
I don’t have any evidence other than what I’ve read and what he has achieved. I guess it all depends on what source you deem more reliable, the “rabid right” or the “looney left”.
Between yours and Zeberdi's sources, there isn't much competiton really as you haven't provided any. Not really to do with rabid right or looney left more, some have been provided and some haven't.

So what we have to choose between are substantiated and unsubstantiated claims.
 


A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Yep those 6 corporate bankruptcies don't happen on their own.
Didn’t one of them happening while he was running a casino?

Imagine how successful a businessman you have to be to go bankrupt running a casino.
 






lasvegan

Well-known member
Jan 30, 2009
2,201
Sin City
Between yours and Zeberdi's sources, there isn't much competiton really as you haven't provided any. Not really to do with rabid right or looney left more, some have been provided and some haven't.

So what we have to choose between are substantiated and unsubstantiated claims.
White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders responded to the Axios report with a statement defending the president's work ethic:

"The time in the morning is a mix of residence time and Oval Office time, but he always has calls with staff, Hill members, cabinet members and foreign leaders during this time. The President is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. It has been noted by reporters many times that they wish he would slow down because they sometimes have trouble keeping up with him."

Here you go, quoted from the BBC article so it may even be true. Sarah Sanders is a far more reliable source than left wing Axios, the source BBC used for its hit piece.

P.S. Some of my best bits of business have been negotiated on the golf course…😉
 


FamilyGuy

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Jul 8, 2003
2,513
Crawley


Zeberdi

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White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders responded to the Axios report with a statement defending the president's work ethic:

"The time in the morning is a mix of residence time and Oval Office time, but he always has calls with staff, Hill members, cabinet members and foreign leaders during this time. The President is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. It has been noted by reporters many times that they wish he would slow down because they sometimes have trouble keeping up with him."

Here you go, quoted from the BBC article so it may even be true. Sarah Sanders is a far more reliable source than left wing Axios, the source BBC used for its hit piece.

P.S. Some of my best bits of business have been negotiated on the golf course…😉
This would be the Sarah Saunders who swore publicly, absolute loyalty to Trump yet stood down as his PS, lied to the Mueller Report investigators to protect her boss’s decision to fire Comey, reduced media scrutiny by the WH Press Corps down to periodic appearances by DT at the podium on the White House lawns deciding what to answer or not. The same Sarah Saunders who claimed ‘God wanted Trump to be President’, made false claims about how many people Trump’s border wall had stopped and manipulated the firing of a respected journalist from the Press Corps for asking difficult questions.


Surely @lasvegan you can do better than that Sarah Saunders? 🙂




 




Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,204
Goldstone
I don’t have any evidence other than what I’ve read and what he has achieved.

What has he achieved? He inherited hundreds of millions, and then committed crime after crime to try and get what he can.
 


One Love

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Aug 22, 2011
4,488
Brighton
Or Democrats will feel poorer and less free because they now realize Biden’s border policy is a national disaster, and will therefore vote for Trump. A really good opinion pice by Victor Davis Hanson.

And another opinion

I live in South Texas. I have watched our border for years. The one thing that really pisses me off is when some MAGA cult member who has been drinking from the right-wing propaganda hose for years tries to tell me what I have experienced, what I have lived. Here’s the reality… Under Obama/Biden the border was its most peaceful in 20+ years. When Trump took office everything blew up, caravans, disgusting detention centers in shopping centers, horrific child separations. A paper quagmire that the Biden administration is still sorting out. Nobody working for Trump was serious or had a plan. They just escalated cruelty and didn’t do any of the paperwork. Like everything Trump did it was inept, incompetent, more harm than good. Trump’s entire administration was a series of incompetent missteps. Covid, body bags, billions in misplaced or stolen stimulus, 8 Trillion added to the deficit, stock market crash, rising inflation, security breaches, loss of classified documents, fake electors scheme, the ridiculous, violent, seditious insurrection at the capitol. All of the above while his corpulent ass golfed over 365 days out of four years. Don’t come on my timeline trying to impose your artificial reality that Obama (Black man bad!!!) caused the border crisis and the fantasy that the border was secure under Trump. There’s a difference between what Trump says and what he does. He has always been all talk and no action. Right wingers today are manipulating the gullible, using footage that was taken months ago and screaming “invasion!”. It’s important to remember that Republicans want it to be crazy, they need it to be crazy. That’s why they blocked the most significant border reform legislation in decades. They can’t complain about Joe Biden if we fix the problem. I for one am tired of our border culture being used as a political piñata by hacks that don’t understand it. The border can not be closed. If it is closed it has a negative impact on US GDP of $2 Billion a day. Families live on both sides of the border. People cross the border everyday, each way, to go to work, school, volunteer. Right wing ignorance supposes that the Mexico side of the border is a no-man’s land. It’s not, our border cities are half in the US and half in Mexico, divided only by a checkpoint. They are communities. Unfamiliar to some, but a way of life for us. Non-nuanced black and white thinking is why Republicans keep losing elections. Ignorance about the border, ignorance about women’s health, ignorance about the fascist threat that they are so hellbent on putting back in the White House so he can do more damage to our economy, security and standing in the world. Do me a favor. Understand that reality is nothing like the Russia-fueled disinformation that is constantly spewed by Fox, Newsmax, OAN and all of the fear monger podcasts. It’s all nonsense. Life here isn’t perfect but it isn’t a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie either. Life in South Texas is peaceful and pleasant and nothing like the hellhole depicted on Right-Wing Propaganda outlets. Neither is the rest of America. Don’t be like this guy below, a “Christian” that has the nerve to call me a liar, when his entire worldview is built on a steady diet of lies and fear from the media puppet masters that control him. If you want to comment on the border, come see it with your own eyes. When the drunken MAGA “take back our border” people came down here they couldn’t find any migrants to threaten. So after making a mess in our yards and our streets, they left. And we cleaned up after them. Migrants aren’t as messy. If you want to make a difference, call your Congressperson and tell them to support the bipartisan border security legislation. Get these National Guard members back to duty and out of our streets, hotels and coffee shops… end the congestion caused by Greg Abbott’s desperate audition for VP. Quit spreading the Republican lie that the border is in crisis.
 


Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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And another opinion

I live in South Texas. I have watched our border for years. The one thing that really pisses me off is when some MAGA cult member who has been drinking from the right-wing propaganda hose for years tries to tell me what I have experienced, what I have lived. Here’s the reality… Under Obama/Biden the border was its most peaceful in 20+ years. When Trump took office everything blew up, caravans, disgusting detention centers in shopping centers, horrific child separations. A paper quagmire that the Biden administration is still sorting out. Nobody working for Trump was serious or had a plan. They just escalated cruelty and didn’t do any of the paperwork. Like everything Trump did it was inept, incompetent, more harm than good. Trump’s entire administration was a series of incompetent missteps. Covid, body bags, billions in misplaced or stolen stimulus, 8 Trillion added to the deficit, stock market crash, rising inflation, security breaches, loss of classified documents, fake electors scheme, the ridiculous, violent, seditious insurrection at the capitol. All of the above while his corpulent ass golfed over 365 days out of four years. Don’t come on my timeline trying to impose your artificial reality that Obama (Black man bad!!!) caused the border crisis and the fantasy that the border was secure under Trump. There’s a difference between what Trump says and what he does. He has always been all talk and no action. Right wingers today are manipulating the gullible, using footage that was taken months ago and screaming “invasion!”. It’s important to remember that Republicans want it to be crazy, they need it to be crazy. That’s why they blocked the most significant border reform legislation in decades. They can’t complain about Joe Biden if we fix the problem. I for one am tired of our border culture being used as a political piñata by hacks that don’t understand it. The border can not be closed. If it is closed it has a negative impact on US GDP of $2 Billion a day. Families live on both sides of the border. People cross the border everyday, each way, to go to work, school, volunteer. Right wing ignorance supposes that the Mexico side of the border is a no-man’s land. It’s not, our border cities are half in the US and half in Mexico, divided only by a checkpoint. They are communities. Unfamiliar to some, but a way of life for us. Non-nuanced black and white thinking is why Republicans keep losing elections. Ignorance about the border, ignorance about women’s health, ignorance about the fascist threat that they are so hellbent on putting back in the White House so he can do more damage to our economy, security and standing in the world. Do me a favor. Understand that reality is nothing like the Russia-fueled disinformation that is constantly spewed by Fox, Newsmax, OAN and all of the fear monger podcasts. It’s all nonsense. Life here isn’t perfect but it isn’t a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie either. Life in South Texas is peaceful and pleasant and nothing like the hellhole depicted on Right-Wing Propaganda outlets. Neither is the rest of America. Don’t be like this guy below, a “Christian” that has the nerve to call me a liar, when his entire worldview is built on a steady diet of lies and fear from the media puppet masters that control him. If you want to comment on the border, come see it with your own eyes. When the drunken MAGA “take back our border” people came down here they couldn’t find any migrants to threaten. So after making a mess in our yards and our streets, they left. And we cleaned up after them. Migrants aren’t as messy. If you want to make a difference, call your Congressperson and tell them to support the bipartisan border security legislation. Get these National Guard members back to duty and out of our streets, hotels and coffee shops… end the congestion caused by Greg Abbott’s desperate audition for VP. Quit spreading the Republican lie that the border is in crisis.
And here endeth the one and only lesson worth listening to imo - a very sensible ’letter from America’ that articulates the vacuous nature of current Republican thinking perfectly. Restores my hope in the ability of America to make the right choice in November.
 
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Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
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And another opinion

I live in South Texas. I have watched our border for years. The one thing that really pisses me off is when some MAGA cult member who has been drinking from the right-wing propaganda hose for years tries to tell me what I have experienced, what I have lived. Here’s the reality… Under Obama/Biden the border was its most peaceful in 20+ years. When Trump took office everything blew up, caravans, disgusting detention centers in shopping centers, horrific child separations. A paper quagmire that the Biden administration is still sorting out. Nobody working for Trump was serious or had a plan. They just escalated cruelty and didn’t do any of the paperwork. Like everything Trump did it was inept, incompetent, more harm than good. Trump’s entire administration was a series of incompetent missteps. Covid, body bags, billions in misplaced or stolen stimulus, 8 Trillion added to the deficit, stock market crash, rising inflation, security breaches, loss of classified documents, fake electors scheme, the ridiculous, violent, seditious insurrection at the capitol. All of the above while his corpulent ass golfed over 365 days out of four years. Don’t come on my timeline trying to impose your artificial reality that Obama (Black man bad!!!) caused the border crisis and the fantasy that the border was secure under Trump. There’s a difference between what Trump says and what he does. He has always been all talk and no action. Right wingers today are manipulating the gullible, using footage that was taken months ago and screaming “invasion!”. It’s important to remember that Republicans want it to be crazy, they need it to be crazy. That’s why they blocked the most significant border reform legislation in decades. They can’t complain about Joe Biden if we fix the problem. I for one am tired of our border culture being used as a political piñata by hacks that don’t understand it. The border can not be closed. If it is closed it has a negative impact on US GDP of $2 Billion a day. Families live on both sides of the border. People cross the border everyday, each way, to go to work, school, volunteer. Right wing ignorance supposes that the Mexico side of the border is a no-man’s land. It’s not, our border cities are half in the US and half in Mexico, divided only by a checkpoint. They are communities. Unfamiliar to some, but a way of life for us. Non-nuanced black and white thinking is why Republicans keep losing elections. Ignorance about the border, ignorance about women’s health, ignorance about the fascist threat that they are so hellbent on putting back in the White House so he can do more damage to our economy, security and standing in the world. Do me a favor. Understand that reality is nothing like the Russia-fueled disinformation that is constantly spewed by Fox, Newsmax, OAN and all of the fear monger podcasts. It’s all nonsense. Life here isn’t perfect but it isn’t a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie either. Life in South Texas is peaceful and pleasant and nothing like the hellhole depicted on Right-Wing Propaganda outlets. Neither is the rest of America. Don’t be like this guy below, a “Christian” that has the nerve to call me a liar, when his entire worldview is built on a steady diet of lies and fear from the media puppet masters that control him. If you want to comment on the border, come see it with your own eyes. When the drunken MAGA “take back our border” people came down here they couldn’t find any migrants to threaten. So after making a mess in our yards and our streets, they left. And we cleaned up after them. Migrants aren’t as messy. If you want to make a difference, call your Congressperson and tell them to support the bipartisan border security legislation. Get these National Guard members back to duty and out of our streets, hotels and coffee shops… end the congestion caused by Greg Abbott’s desperate audition for VP. Quit spreading the Republican lie that the border is in crisis.
Great post and brilliant narrative of the definition of populism described by Alastair Campbell recently.

1. Populism seeks to exploit problems rather than solving them.

2. Populism seeks to divide the population rather than unite it.

Both, of course, are highly effective distraction techniques for those who only seek money, power and influence through politics rather than a greater good for their electorate and Country.

Mr Trump and Mr Johnson personify this particular definition. And when they are called out, we’re reminded that politicians are all the same so you may as well vote for one with a bit of personality.
 


lasvegan

Well-known member
Jan 30, 2009
2,201
Sin City
And another opinion

I live in South Texas. I have watched our border for years. The one thing that really pisses me off is when some MAGA cult member who has been drinking from the right-wing propaganda hose for years tries to tell me what I have experienced, what I have lived. Here’s the reality… Under Obama/Biden the border was its most peaceful in 20+ years. When Trump took office everything blew up, caravans, disgusting detention centers in shopping centers, horrific child separations. A paper quagmire that the Biden administration is still sorting out. Nobody working for Trump was serious or had a plan. They just escalated cruelty and didn’t do any of the paperwork. Like everything Trump did it was inept, incompetent, more harm than good. Trump’s entire administration was a series of incompetent missteps. Covid, body bags, billions in misplaced or stolen stimulus, 8 Trillion added to the deficit, stock market crash, rising inflation, security breaches, loss of classified documents, fake electors scheme, the ridiculous, violent, seditious insurrection at the capitol. All of the above while his corpulent ass golfed over 365 days out of four years. Don’t come on my timeline trying to impose your artificial reality that Obama (Black man bad!!!) caused the border crisis and the fantasy that the border was secure under Trump. There’s a difference between what Trump says and what he does. He has always been all talk and no action. Right wingers today are manipulating the gullible, using footage that was taken months ago and screaming “invasion!”. It’s important to remember that Republicans want it to be crazy, they need it to be crazy. That’s why they blocked the most significant border reform legislation in decades. They can’t complain about Joe Biden if we fix the problem. I for one am tired of our border culture being used as a political piñata by hacks that don’t understand it. The border can not be closed. If it is closed it has a negative impact on US GDP of $2 Billion a day. Families live on both sides of the border. People cross the border everyday, each way, to go to work, school, volunteer. Right wing ignorance supposes that the Mexico side of the border is a no-man’s land. It’s not, our border cities are half in the US and half in Mexico, divided only by a checkpoint. They are communities. Unfamiliar to some, but a way of life for us. Non-nuanced black and white thinking is why Republicans keep losing elections. Ignorance about the border, ignorance about women’s health, ignorance about the fascist threat that they are so hellbent on putting back in the White House so he can do more damage to our economy, security and standing in the world. Do me a favor. Understand that reality is nothing like the Russia-fueled disinformation that is constantly spewed by Fox, Newsmax, OAN and all of the fear monger podcasts. It’s all nonsense. Life here isn’t perfect but it isn’t a post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie either. Life in South Texas is peaceful and pleasant and nothing like the hellhole depicted on Right-Wing Propaganda outlets. Neither is the rest of America. Don’t be like this guy below, a “Christian” that has the nerve to call me a liar, when his entire worldview is built on a steady diet of lies and fear from the media puppet masters that control him. If you want to comment on the border, come see it with your own eyes. When the drunken MAGA “take back our border” people came down here they couldn’t find any migrants to threaten. So after making a mess in our yards and our streets, they left. And we cleaned up after them. Migrants aren’t as messy. If you want to make a difference, call your Congressperson and tell them to support the bipartisan border security legislation. Get these National Guard members back to duty and out of our streets, hotels and coffee shops… end the congestion caused by Greg Abbott’s desperate audition for VP. Quit spreading the Republican lie that the border is in crisis.
Serious question. Is this a cut and paste job or do you really live in Texas?

Your location says Brighton?
 








lasvegan

Well-known member
Jan 30, 2009
2,201
Sin City
And here endeth the one and only lesson worth listening to imo - a very sensible ’letter from America’ that articulates the vacuous nature of current Republican thinking perfectly. Restores my hope in the ability of America to make the right choice in November.

@One Love - I hope you don’t mind but I am copying your narrative into an email to my Aunty in Michigan who is working hard on the ground to counter a growing sense of apathy amongst the electorate in that State, especially among young voters - I think it will be inspiring.
I think the apathy among young voters in MI is more to do with the fact that they can’t afford to put gas in their cars, pay their rent or put food on their tables.
 


Zeberdi

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NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
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I think the apathy among young voters in MI is more to do with the fact that they can’t afford to put gas in their cars, pay their rent or put food on their tables.
Actually, the ‘apathy’ I had in mind was because young voters feel disenfranchised by a couple of old codgers going at it head to head again in a repeat of an election battle most want to forget - also, (I think we talked about this before?) the Democratic ‘non-committals’ who are unhappy with Biden’s response to Gaza.
 
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