[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[StonehamPark]

Both Canada and the US have had recent polls both largely revealing a conservative preference for the next elections.

Canada even more so than the US.

Global instability, how Covid was dealt with, debilitating inflation, immigration, house prices, cost of groceries +++

Working and middle-class Canadians and Americans have been dealt horrible hands over the past 3 years - and the fall guys will always be the current politicians (both lib/dem).

They’ll both be ousted in the hope that the red teams will turn the people’s fortunes around.

 

[lasvegan]

Out of interest do you think Trump will support funding Ukraine?

I don’t know. There is no accountability to where the money is actually going.

 

[lasvegan]

From where I stand the US economy looks to be performing well in the aftermath of Covid and with inflation coming under control, and if it's any indication, the three main stock indices are at record highs (all over 20% higher than when Biden was inaugurated). So genuine question: what is it that the current administration has done so badly to cause a sufficient number of people that voted for Biden in key states in 2020 to have watched everything that Trump has done in the aftermath and thought 'hmmm, let's put him back in charge'?

 

[Nobby]

I don’t know. There is no accountability to where the money is actually going.

Cool. Better save it in house then.
And while the Russians continue to murder, rape and pillage an innocent population.
Research Neville Chamberlain.
Donald Trump will become this centuries version
Although l think that Chamberlain was a decent human being

 

[lasvegan]

You make it sound like I’m in favor of a Russian invasion, which is a totally false assumption. I’m saying that you can’t expect the American tax payer to indefinitely fund a war in Europe while at the same time it is failing to fund an invasion of its Southern border, which has also cost tens of thousands of lives, not to mention the sex, child and drug trafficking that goes along with it. But cool, maybe you’re okay with that.

I don’t need to research Chamberlain, and your comparison to Trump is absurd. Remember that the Russians started massing troops on the border a month after he left office. Just like they walked into the Crimea when Obama was president. Biden is a weakling and the world knows it.

Jimmy Carter is one of the nicest human beings on the planet. He was an utterly useless president. Being nice is not top of my presidential candidate list.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I don’t know. There is no accountability to where the money is actually going.

He won't. No justifications required.

 

[Greenbag50]

You make it sound like I’m in favor of a Russian invasion, which is a totally false assumption. I’m saying that you can’t expect the American tax payer to indefinitely fund a war in Europe while at the same time it is failing to fund an invasion of its Southern border, which has also cost tens of thousands of lives, not to mention the sex, child and drug trafficking that goes along with it. But cool, maybe you’re okay with that.

I don’t need to research Chamberlain, and your comparison to Trump is absurd. Remember that the Russians started massing troops on the border a month after he left office. Just like they walked into the Crimea when Obama was president. Biden is a weakling and the world knows it.

Jimmy Carter is one of the nicest human beings on the planet. He was an utterly useless president. Being nice is not top of my presidential candidate list.

The west don’t have the political will nor resources to fight on 4 fronts against China, Russia, Iran and what seems to be a lot of SA.
China has been quietly but effectively hoovering up Global south over last 10-15 years to replace US global trade dominance from US.
West is done as we know it. In 10-20 years our demographics will have shifted so much due to uncontrolled immigration sponsored by Russia/China.
Look at US last week, all universities have been overrun with anti- Semitic, anti western academics, including Harvard, MIT, Penn etc …

 

[lasvegan]

I didn’t actually say he had if you read my post again (although he was indicted by Congress for insurrection with the majority finding him guilty though acquitted for not reaching the threshold of votes for a conviction) ) - It may not anyway need a criminal conviction if the Courts interpret his behaviour as ‘insurrection’ for the purposes of preventing him from running for any public office’. The Colorado Supreme Court have ruled in support of the application to have Trump removed from the ballot under Art 3/14th “because he engaged in insurrection on January 6, 2021, after swearing an oath as President to support the U.S. Constitution”:

“The District Court found “clear and convincing evidence that President Trump engaged in insurrection as those terms are used in Section Three”. The Supreme Court of Colorado then ruled that “the District Court did not err in concluding that President Trump “engaged in” that insurrection through his personal actions.”

The Constitution is silent both on what defines it and who enforces it - this will be one if the issues that will need to be determined by SCOTUS - what is the definition of ‘insurrection’ for the purposes of the Constitution and who can enforce Section 3 of the 14th Amendment : It is also the first time Section 3/14th it has been used to try and bar a President from Office - SCOTUS will need to clarify and provide guidance on the interpretation of the Constitution in particular whether Section 3 applies to the office of POTUS:

Full ruling of the Colorado SC here:

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/20/1220583273/trump-colorado-supreme-court-ruling

I didn’t say you did, just pointing out that the court is acting merely on their own assumptions.

Exclusive: GOP Drafting Bills to Remove Biden from Ballots in GA, AZ, PA

If Biden is removed from the ballots, the president will have difficulty winning the Democrat primary and presidential election.

www.breitbart.com

 

[lasvegan]

The west don’t have the political will nor resources to fight on 4 fronts against China, Russia, Iran and what seems to be a lot of SA.
China has been quietly but effectively hoovering up Global south over last 10-15 years to replace US global trade dominance from US.
West is done as we know it. In 10-20 years our demographics will have shifted so much due to uncontrolled immigration sponsored by Russia/China.
Look at US last week, all universities have been overrun with anti- Semitic, anti western academics, including Harvard, MIT, Penn etc …

spot on…

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You make it sound like I’m in favor of a Russian invasion, which is a totally false assumption. I’m saying that you can’t expect the American tax payer to indefinitely fund a war in Europe while at the same time it is failing to fund an invasion of its Southern border, which has also cost tens of thousands of lives, not to mention the sex, child and drug trafficking that goes along with it. But cool, maybe you’re okay with that.

I don’t need to research Chamberlain, and your comparison to Trump is absurd. Remember that the Russians started massing troops on the border a month after he left office. Just like they walked into the Crimea when Obama was president. Biden is a weakling and the world knows it.

Jimmy Carter is one of the nicest human beings on the planet. He was an utterly useless president. Being nice is not top of my presidential candidate list.

I absolutely loath Trump. But against a candidate whose mind is barley/barely his own?

Trump will win. Of course he will. And who can blame the US electorate.

It boils down to this. Are you more comfortable having the presidency run by proxy ('advisors/carers') or by a narcissist? I'd opt for the former (hoping the 'advisors' are not mad), but I can understand those who would rather vote for what they think they know they are getting.

Suddenly Sunak versus Starmer looks like an enormously attractive fixture.

 

[lasvegan]

I absolutely loath Trump. But against a candidate whose mind is barley/barely his own?

Trump will win. Of course he will. And who can blame the US electorate.

It boils down to this. Are you more comfortable having the presidency run by proxy ('advisors/carers') or by a narcissist? I'd opt for the former (hoping the 'advisors' are not mad), but I can understand those who would rather vote for what they think they know they are getting.

Suddenly Sunak versus Starmer looks like an enormously attractive fixture.

Contrary to popular opinion I’m not a big fan of Trump either. He is much better than the alternative though, who I believe to be the proxy Obama ites in the current administration.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Contrary to popular opinion I’m not a big fan of Trump either. He is much better than the alternative though, who I believe to be the proxy Obama ites in the current administration.

The alternative is nearly in a coma.

What did you not like about Obama? Staying un-assonated for two terms impressed me. Equating sleepy Joe with Obama has no traction with the English observer (unless they are raving mad NRA types, Bravermans, ERGs).

It does come to something when Trump, a man who makes Johnson look statesmanlike, competent and sane, appears to be the better option, though. Better a madman than a vegetable?

 

[lasvegan]

He won't. No justifications required.

Possibly not, I don’t know. I’m pretty sure his wife isn't traveling around the world in olive green sweat pants with her hand out though…

Probably being a little harsh there, but Ukraine was never world renowned for their ethics.

 

[lasvegan]

The alternative is nearly in a coma.

What did you not like about Obama? Staying un-assonated for two terms impressed me. Equating sleepy Joe with Obama has no traction with the English observer (unless they are raving mad NRA types, Bravermans, ERGs).

It does come to something when Trump, a man who makes Johnson look statesmanlike, competent and sane, appears to be the better option, though. Better a madman than a vegetable?

I don’t dislike him personally, I just don’t like his politics. He is very much a socialist in my opinion.

Madman and a vegetable, lol! FFS, what has this world become…

 

[Hugo Rune]

I don’t dislike him personally, I just don’t like his politics. He is very much a socialist in my opinion.

Madman and a vegetable, lol! FFS, what has this world become…

That’s just ****ing mad.

Only in America could someone call a central right politician a socialist.

What authentic socialist policies did Obama bring in during his 8 year term? What authentic socialist policies does he espouse?

I’m not sure you’d know what a socialist is even if you awoke in the night to Jeremy Corbyn preparing you a Boston pancake!

 

[GT49er]

I absolutely loath Trump. But against a candidate whose mind is barley/barely his own?

Trump will win. Of course he will. And who can blame the US electorate.

It boils down to this. Are you more comfortable having the presidency run by proxy ('advisors/carers') or by a narcissist? I'd opt for the former (hoping the 'advisors' are not mad), but I can understand those who would rather vote for what they think they know they are getting.

Suddenly Sunak versus Starmer looks like an enormously attractive fixture.

...

 

[clapham_gull]

He is very much a socialist in my opinion.

 

[Zeberdi]

You make it sound like I’m in favor of a Russian invasion, which is a totally false assumption. I’m saying that you can’t expect the American tax payer to indefinitely fund a war in Europe while at the same time it is failing to fund an invasion of its Southern border, which has also cost tens of thousands of lives, not to mention the sex, child and drug trafficking that goes along with it. But cool, maybe you’re okay with that.

I don’t think desperate, unarmed people, many of whom are seeking refugee status, was what the Texas or US Constitution had in mind when it confers power on the border States or federal Government to ‘protect its borders’ from ‘invasion’ - This phrase is being used by the far right and racists to describe migrants seeking a better life and is dog whistling to anti-immigrationists and those that feed into to the Islamophobic Great Replacement Theory with anti-muslim rhetoric:

Look at US last week, all universities have been overrun with anti- Semitic, anti western academics, including Harvard, MIT, Penn etc …

Remember that the Russians started massing troops on the border a month after he left office. Just like they walked into the Crimea when Obama was president. Biden is a weakling and the world knows it.

If you think Russia only took 4 weeks to plan an invasion and amass troops on the Ukranian border, you clearly know little about either modern warfare or the history of Russia’s attempt to annex Ukrainian territory - Russia was already an illegal occupying force in Crimea and Eastern Moldova years before Russian tanks started rolling down the road to Kiev and has been in the making since Putin came to power on the back of the break up of the Soviet Union, the collapse of communism, the independence war in Chechnya and Georgia’s attempts to join NATO.

It is Trump who is seen as a weakling by Putin not Biden - Trump’s vanity and narcissism and therefore his tendency to placate authoritarian dictators made him the most dangerous personality ever to occupy the WH - Putin saw Trump as a leader that could sow discord and chaos in the American system - Putin’s cyber-interference on the 2016 GE were nothing but an attempt to support a candidate that would be easy to manipulate because of his character weakness and who would therefore most undermine US security. Trump’s support of Putin eg at Helsinki, was an attempt to circumvent the normal channels of diplomacy and the foreign service, to curry personal favours with a dangerous dictator to massage his own fragile ego.


Biden’s apparent physical weakness is not the same nor as dangerously problematic as a leader who is a political and global security threat because of a flawed and conflicted personality. However, Biden’s pro- NATO policies are a direct threat to an expansionist Russia that sees itself as defending against the expansionist policies of Western democracies through NATO membership.

As for why Russia didn’t invade Ukraine while Trump was in power, have you considered that perhaps he didn’t need to and it was a convenient hiatus to prepare for such an attack whilst allowing Trump to dismantle the forces that would prevent it. Trump was already aligned with Putin on undermining/destroying NATO by his policy proposal of withdrawing US membership; undermining the EU by aligning himself to Farage/Brexit; and being an American leader who was prepared to undermine Ukrainian security (by withholding arms to Ukraine) in exchange for election ‘dirt’ on his political enemies.

Opinion | Why Didn’t Putin Invade Under Trump? It Wasn’t Personal.

Trump wanted to be friends with Putin. But it was his policies, not his friendship, that mattered.

www.politico.com

 

[Albion my Albion]

I absolutely loath Trump. But against a candidate whose mind is barley/barely his own?

Trump will win. Of course he will. And who can blame the US electorate.

It boils down to this. Are you more comfortable having the presidency run by proxy ('advisors/carers') or by a narcissist? I'd opt for the former (hoping the 'advisors' are not mad), but I can understand those who would rather vote for what they think they know they are getting.

Suddenly Sunak versus Starmer looks like an enormously attractive fixture.

With Trump you have a dissolution of the US Constitution and a dictator who ignores all laws he doesn't like. And he would be a permanent dictator until a military coup overthrows him.

 

[tedebear]

With Trump you have a dissolution of the US Constitution and a dictator who ignores all laws he doesn't like. And he would be a permanent dictator until a military coup overthrows him.

Agreed. He is worse than dangerous to the constitution. He is a pathological liar, who the downtrodden and underfunded middle american masses take for a truth teller with the answers...He is teaching people that its ok to be conspiracy theorists, its ok to lie, its ok to twist the truth and its ok to vote for someone with no morals. America will take generations to get over this, if they do at all. The insidious nature of Trump has also crept around the world, fake news, dirty politics and right wing libel and slander now more common place than it ever was before...Truth, honesty and morals seem now to be such archaic values that politicians no longer need to have, and Trump has had a heavy hand in that...