[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[kojak]

God save the queen
and the US !

 

[Albion my Albion]

Does everybody know this person by their picture?

 

[lasvegan]

Does everybody know this person by their picture?


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I think it’s called an ignoramus.

 

[Doc Lynam]

Does everybody know this person by their picture?


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Yes

 

[kojak]

Does everybody know this person by their picture?


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I don't feel unburdened by not knowing her name

 

[Surf's Up]

It hardly needs stating that Trump is a deranged egomaniac who belongs in jail. Trouble is, Biden is a deeply unimpressive and worrying alternative — very clearly a man on the edge of senility and frequently straying across that edge. If Trump belongs in jail, Biden belongs in a hospital or care home where he can sit and stare at the telly all day. How in gods name has the US ended up with these two clowns fighting for the White House?

Same way as we ended up with BoJo in charge here!

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Your first three dozen posts have largely been, the contrarian or attempts at fishing.

On a wind up, or someone previously banned.

Seriously, just f*** off with this bullshit. Instead of the ad hominem, why not say exactly where you disagree? Are you a Trump fan? Do you think Biden is a good prospect for another 5 years in the White House? I’d be staggered if either of those was true. Don’t attack me, attack my point of view.

As for the other bullshit that keeps popping up, I’d never visited or even heard of this forum until 3 or 4 weeks ago.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Johnson versus Corbyn wasn't a million miles better to be fair.

We always elect the leaders we deserve...

You’re right, they weren’t much better. Trouble is though, in the UK our party leaders are elected with a small electorate of the party faithful. The rest of us get lumbered with their decisions. At least in the US there’s a much longer and broader election process which SHOULD ensure that the crooks and incompetents don’t get near the White House. It’s failed badly recently.

(Oooh, what a controversial, wind-up opinion.)

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Seriously, just f*** off with this bullshit. Instead of the ad hominem, why not say exactly where you disagree? Are you a Trump fan? Do you think Biden is a good prospect for another 5 years in the White House? I’d be staggered if either of those was true. Don’t attack me, attack my point of view.

As for the other bullshit that keeps popping up, I’d never visited or even heard of this forum until 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Amazing coincidence how many views you share with previous, departed posters who share a penchant for the term ad hominem. Small world.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Amazing coincidence how many views you share with previous, departed posters who share a penchant for the term ad hominem. Small world.

Gaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!

You mean there was a previous poster who thought Trump and Biden were unfit for office. Wow!!

 

[vegster]

It hardly needs stating that Trump is a deranged egomaniac who belongs in jail. Trouble is, Biden is a deeply unimpressive and worrying alternative — very clearly a man on the edge of senility and frequently straying across that edge. If Trump belongs in jail, Biden belongs in a hospital or care home where he can sit and stare at the telly all day. How in gods name has the US ended up with these two clowns fighting for the White House?

Biden is a career politician who knows how Washington and the world works. He might make some mistakes, as all Presidents do but, he will be surrounded by expert advisors and will take their advice unlike Trump.

Biden would never go off piste and spout the gash that Trump does and lie as standard, every day. So, yes, he's old and doddery but he's NOT Trump. You can blame the increasingly partisan US political system for eliminating so many candidates before they establish themselves.

When you listen to Trump spouting on about the US being destroyed by Biden's alleged left wing Socialism and communisim and see how many Americans believe that, be afraid.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Biden is a career politician who knows how Washington and the world works. He might make some mistakes, as all Presidents do but, he will be surrounded by expert advisors and will take their advice unlike Trump.

Biden would never go off piste and spout the gash that Trump does and lie as standard, every day. So, yes, he's old and doddery but he's NOT Trump. You can blame the increasingly partisan US political system for eliminating so many candidates before they establish themselves.

When you listen to Trump spouting on about the US being destroyed by Biden's alleged left wing Socialism and communisim and see how many Americans believe that, be afraid.

Biden is absolutely a different type from Trump. Who is suggesting they’re similar? Certainly not me.

Trump is a dangerous nutjob, we agree. Biden is unsuited for the presidency for other reasons. I was pleased when he was elected, and I’ve been an admirer of his down the years. But another 5 years is too risky IMO. He’ll be 81 in November. There are 'young 80 year olds' like my neighbour who’s forever up a ladder on some DIY project, and there are old 80 year olds. Joe is in the latter camp. Leadership is largely about creating a sense of confidence— and I don’t have that with him. I worry for him every time he makes an unscripted comment. There must surely be plenty of talented, charismatic younger Dems who know their way around Washington?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You’re right, they weren’t much better. Trouble is though, in the UK our party leaders are elected with a small electorate of the party faithful. The rest of us get lumbered with their decisions. At least in the US there’s a much longer and broader election process which SHOULD ensure that the crooks and incompetents don’t get near the White House. It’s failed badly recently.

(Oooh, what a controversial, wind-up opinion.)

Mmmmm....no our outcomes are down entirely to the swing voters. The faithful vote the same way (hence 'faithful'). That's not an opinion, mundane or controversial. It's fact .

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Mmmmm....no our outcomes are down entirely to the swing voters. The faithful vote the same way (hence 'faithful'). That's not an opinion, mundane or controversial. It's fact .

I'm talking about the party leaders, not electoral outcomes in general. I know that constitutionally we don’t elect prime ministers, only local MPs but in reality people talk about whether to vote for Sunak or Starmer, etc. Yet the general public have no input into choice of PM candidates. That’s down to a small group of activists. Less than 100K Tories and whatever the current Labour figures are (400K or so? Not sure.) We then get presented with their favourites who are rarely ours.

 

[vegster]

Biden is absolutely a different type from Trump. Who is suggesting they’re similar? Certainly not me.

Trump is a dangerous nutjob, we agree. Biden is unsuited for the presidency for other reasons. I was pleased when he was elected, and I’ve been an admirer of his down the years. But another 5 years is too risky IMO. He’ll be 81 in November. There are 'young 80 year olds' like my neighbour who’s forever up a ladder on some DIY project, and there are old 80 year olds. Joe is in the latter camp. Leadership is largely about creating a sense of confidence— and I don’t have that with him. I worry for him every time he makes an unscripted comment. There must surely be plenty of talented, charismatic younger Dems who know their way around Washington?

Biden is absolutely a different type from Trump. Who is suggesting they’re similar? Certainly not me.

Trump is a dangerous nutjob, we agree. Biden is unsuited for the presidency for other reasons. I was pleased when he was elected, and I’ve been an admirer of his down the years. But another 5 years is too risky IMO. He’ll be 81 in November. There are 'young 80 year olds' like my neighbour who’s forever up a ladder on some DIY project, and there are old 80 year olds. Joe is in the latter camp. Leadership is largely about creating a sense of confidence— and I don’t have that with him. I worry for him every time he makes an unscripted comment. There must surely be plenty of talented, charismatic younger Dems who know their way around Washington?

You did say that " They are both Clowns " . Only one suggested injecting bleach or inserting bright lights to counter Covid... I could go on, the list is endless.. how about the call to the republican Governor of Georgia " I need you to find me another 10,000 votes, tell them you miscalculated " ... Biden is far from perfect but, Trump is not an option.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm talking about the party leaders, not electoral outcomes in general. I know that constitutionally we don’t elect prime ministers, only local MPs but in reality people talk about whether to vote for Sunak or Starmer, etc. Yet the general public have no input into choice of PM candidates. That’s down to a small group of activists. Less than 100K Tories and whatever the current Labour figures are (400K or so? Not sure.) We then get presented with their favourites who are rarely ours.

Oh I see what you mean.

However, it is for a party to decide how to elect their leader. It's their right.

If you don't like it you can vote for a different party. Or form one yourself.

The parties were not handed to us by the Queen, or God. They were formed by like-minded individuals to promote their interests.

The disappointing thing, perhaps, is that the parties aren't necessarily particularly good.

It may seem that the alternative, having a national vote for a president, is more fair. But the US candidates are all selected by their party. There are occasionally independent candidates but, just as here, they never win. I personally don't fancy being offered a presidential election with party candidates (Corbyn, Johnson, Farrage etc) and rich independents (such as Branson, Murdoch, Linneker, etc.), and some populist hopefuls (such as Widdicomb, Lawrence (Doreen), Morgan (Piers) and Holmes (Amon and Katie)) on the slate. I feel a bit queasy just thinking about it.

And the US president traditionally has his hands tied, not by his own party, but by the opposition because, perversely, Americans seem to think it is better to have the president and Congress (and/or the house of representatives) run by different parties. They seem to think that legislative gridlock is the way to go. And then there is their electoral college which give disproportionately weighted vote to country bumpkins, rednecks and gool ol' boys.

I prefer our system. Neither are great, but both are better than PR (which is a system that, in the minds of some, is one that will ensure their minority voice is heard. And acted on by the majority. Because that would be fair. Righty ho. And try that in a presidential election).

There is also a lot of chat about our system allowing a massive parliamentary majority on the back of maybe 30% of the electorate. Well that's because lots of people don't bother to vote. I quite like the Australian system where you get arrested and deported to England (slight exaggeration) if you don't vote. I like that, but with a twist - that everyone has to actively select 'no candidate' if they don't want to vote for any of the buggers, with 'no candidate' returned for the constituency if that's what gets the majority vote in that constituency. That might focus a few minds.

Unfortunately we now have a tory government that is making it harder to vote, with haphazard identification procedures that will only put off the floating voter, the poor, the overworked and the depressed. They think that will swing things in their favour. I fear they are correct. If ever there was a 'steal' that will be it. I gather much the same operates in parts of America (to stop the blacks voting, primarily).

As I always say, we all get the governments we deserve.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Biden is absolutely a different type from Trump. Who is suggesting they’re similar? Certainly not me.

Trump is a dangerous nutjob, we agree. Biden is unsuited for the presidency for other reasons. I was pleased when he was elected, and I’ve been an admirer of his down the years. But another 5 years is too risky IMO. He’ll be 81 in November. There are 'young 80 year olds' like my neighbour who’s forever up a ladder on some DIY project, and there are old 80 year olds. Joe is in the latter camp. Leadership is largely about creating a sense of confidence— and I don’t have that with him. I worry for him every time he makes an unscripted comment. There must surely be plenty of talented, charismatic younger Dems who know their way around Washington?

It baffles me that the Dems have gone for Biden. It seems daft. Is it not allowed to make a contest of it by nominating some other guys in a party run off?

There again, there is (or was) a fear the Republicans will select Trump again, which is not only daft, but absolutely criminal.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

You did say that " They are both Clowns " . Only one suggested injecting bleach or inserting bright lights to counter Covid... I could go on, the list is endless.. how about the call to the republican Governor of Georgia " I need you to find me another 10,000 votes, tell them you miscalculated " ... Biden is far from perfect but, Trump is not an option.

Fair enough it was wrong to describe Biden in that way. I think he has a history of decency and honesty but I'm afraid he's losing his marbles and he worries me.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Fair enough it was wrong to describe Biden in that way. I think he has a history of decency and honesty but I'm afraid he's losing his marbles and he worries me.

Biden is now just a puppet for those pulling the strings. He’ll be briefed what to say and do, and excuses will be made when he fluffs his lines, but there will, hopefully, be safe hands behind him. Trump on the other hand actually thinks it’s him who’ll call the shots, won’t take advice as he knows better, when in fact he’s woefully inadequate and a compulsive narcissistic liar. He’ll still have people voting for him in their hordes though. God bless America.

 

[vegster]

Fair enough it was wrong to describe Biden in that way. I think he has a history of decency and honesty but I'm afraid he's losing his marbles and he worries me.

In that case then, we have one candidate losing his marbles and one candidate who lost theirs some time ago !