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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 172 41.7%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.7%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.9%

  • Total voters
    412
  • This poll will close: .






Zeberdi

ā€œVorsprung durch Technikā€
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Oct 20, 2022
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Its totally fine, Trump and Musk are totally sensible people to vote for and the answer to people's economic problems.

Smart vote from smart voters.

A statement from the Trump transition team, external says that together the two men will "dismantle government bureaucracy... cut wasteful expenditures" and create an "entrepreneurial approach to government".

I can't see any dangers in Elon doing this, they are going to change the way the American government works, just like their madate tells them too.

Also the appointment of Pete Hegseth who was a Fox news achor and platoon leader in the national guard also seems like a solid appointment as defense secretary.
Well not sure why you repeatedly go to so much trouble in writing woosh responses to my posts unless of course you are being serious -in which case we wonā€™t see eye to eye on this.

Afaic - Anyone who thinks gutting the department of education and environmental protection agencies is a good idea has clearly drunk the kool aid of Project 25.

Elon Musk is a far right multi-bIllionaire who has used his money and privately owned social media empire to gain UNELECTED political influence. That is not ok if one thinks electoral accountability is an essential part of liberal democratic governance.

I also canā€™t agree that an ex-news anchor off a hard-right news station is a suitable background for Defence Secretary.
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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Elon Musk is a far right multi-bIllionaire who has used his money and privately owned social media empire to gain UNELECTED political influence. That is not ok if one thinks electoral accountability is an essential part of liberal democratic governance.

I also canā€™t agree that an ex-news anchor off a hard-right news station is a suitable background for Defence Secretary.
thats the US system of government. their cabinet, government department leadership and many layers down are appointed by the President. thousands of posts that we'd see as impartial senior civil servants here, are political appointments because of work done in campaign. might not think its ok, it was the same under the other Presidents.
 
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BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
18,172
Well not sure why you repeatedly go to so much trouble in writing woosh responses to my posts unless of course you are being serious -in which case we wonā€™t see eye to eye on this.

Afaic - Anyone who thinks gutting the department of education and environmental protection agencies is a good idea has clearly drunk the kool aid of Project 25.

Elon Musk is a far right multi-bIllionaire who has used his money and privately owned social media empire to gain UNELECTED political influence. That is not ok if one thinks electoral accountability is an essential part of liberal democratic governance.

I also canā€™t agree that an ex-news anchor off a hard-right news station is a suitable background for Defence Secretary.

It really is very little trouble to be honest.

To be clear, it is my sense of humour, a little dry for some tastes but there you have it.

The new defence secretary was a platoon leader in the national guard though, don't forget that bit.
 




BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Musk is arguably the most successful businessman on the planet so will have a better grasp of minimising waste and improving efficiency than career politicians. Trump is a different story though.
Musk bought Twitter for $44M which is now worth $9M. According to Forbes, heā€™s losing money in other areas too.

 




JetsetJimbo

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Jun 13, 2011
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Musk bought Twitter for $44M which is now worth $9M. According to Forbes, heā€™s losing money in other areas too.


He's also the man who thought he could make Twitter more efficient by firing the coders who wrote the fewest lines of code (i.e., he fired all Twitter's most efficient coders).
 


A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Deepest, darkest Sussex
It doesn't sound like he has much of political remit from that. He does have form when it comes to finding efficiency at Twitter - sacked how many people? The company didn't collapse though, which suggests they weren't doing anything useful.
It didnā€™t collapse but itā€™s now a hellhole of misinformation, harassment and pornography. Those sacked might not have kept the place going but they mostly kept the people using it safe.
 


Zeberdi

ā€œVorsprung durch Technikā€
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Oct 20, 2022
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thats the US system of government. their cabinet, government department leadership and many layers down are appointed by the President. thousands of posts that we'd see as impartial senior civil servants here, are political appointments because of work done in campaign. might not think its ok, it was the same under the other Presidents.
Yep but itā€™s the lack of accountability I have an issue with. Powerful lobby groups are bad enough in any liberal democracy but when you start tasking individual multi-billionaire sycophants with a fundamental restructuring of central government then that is a problem in my book.
 




BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Musk bought Twitter for $44M which is now worth $9M. According to Forbes, heā€™s losing money in other areas too.

He has a massed himself a vast personal wealth out of nothing but his parents emerald mine.
 


Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
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On NSC for over two decades...
It didnā€™t collapse but itā€™s now a hellhole of misinformation, harassment and pornography. Those sacked might not have kept the place going but they mostly kept the people using it safe.
I didn't say he improved it!

;)
 


Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
6,811
It really is very little trouble to be honest.

To be clear, it is my sense of humour, a little dry for some tastes but there you have it.

The new defence secretary was a platoon leader in the national guard though, don't forget that bit.
Maybe then use emojiā€™s to make it clear you mean the opposite of what you post and being sarcastic because if itā€™s humour it is not coming across very well - especially to those who struggle to read motive and intention behind what people post online anyway.
 




The Antikythera Mechanism

The oldest known computer
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Aug 7, 2003
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He's also the man who thought he could make Twitter more efficient by firing the coders who wrote the fewest lines of code (i.e., he fired all Twitter's most efficient coders).
Heā€™s still worth $308B and the richest person in the world. According to Forbes X is worth around $14B. Itā€™s like someone with $3M gambling with ā‚¬400k and the value dropping to ā‚¬140k. He did it for a reason and Iā€™m guessing he thinks itā€™s paid off. Donā€™t particularly like the guy but, he has more of a clue than career politicians.
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
18,172
Yep but itā€™s the lack of accountability I have an issue with. Powerful lobby groups are bad enough in any liberal democracy but when you start tasking individual multi-billionaire sycophants with a fundamental restructuring of central government then that is a problem in my book.
The people have voted for this restructuring, it is literally Trump's mandate.

Smash the system.

I thought we were doing it as a nieve 19 year old dancing about in fields but it turns out it takes an orange billionaire and his geeky sidekick to do a proper job.

If only pesky climate change and people's actual lives weren't on the line it could all be quite entertaining.

Perhaps Green Day will write a pop punk album about it all.
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
18,172
Maybe then use emojiā€™s to make it clear you mean the opposite of what you post and being sarcastic because if itā€™s humour it is not coming across very well - especially to those who struggle to read motive and intention behind what people post online anyway.
No šŸ˜‚
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Goldstone
I also canā€™t agree that an ex-news anchor off a hard-right news station is a suitable background for Defence Secretary.


Maybe then use emojiā€™s to make it clear you mean the opposite of what you post and being sarcastic because if itā€™s humour it is not coming across very well - especially to those who struggle to read motive and intention behind what people post online anyway.

I know that sarcasm doesn't jump out at you, which is unfortunate, but BadFish shouldn't need to change how sarcasm is written.

When Chandler would say something sarcastic on Friends, he'd have to end it with 'not' for the audience to get it. That's not the British way. Instead, we like to say something completely ludicrous with a straight face, and trust that others will find it as mad as we do.

Like you say, a right wing Fox news anchor as Defence Secretary - it's completely bonkers. When BadFish described that as a 'solid appointment' your irony meter may have snapped off the dial.
 
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Zeberdi

ā€œVorsprung durch Technikā€
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Oct 20, 2022
6,811
Ok then for my own peace of mind, I will not respond anymore to your posts because my autism makes it very difficult to understand when you are being sarcastic or being serious since you give no clues - I have no idea if your last response was passive aggressive or your idea of being funny. ā˜¹ļø

Sorry.

Have a great day.
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
18,172
I know that sarcasm doesn't jump out at you, which is unfortunate, but BadFish shouldn't need to change how sarcasm is written.

When Chandler would say something sarcastic on Friends, he'd have to end it with 'not' for the audience to get it. That's not the British way. Instead, we like to say something completely ludicrous with a straight face, and trust that others will find it as mad as we do.

Like you say, a right win Fox news anchor as Defence Secretary - it's completely bonkers. When BadFish described that as a 'solid appointment' your irony meter may have snapped off the dial.
Could I BE any more ironic šŸ˜‚
 


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