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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .


Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,206
Cumbria
If its a straight numbers game its easier to rig manipulating demographics.
Eh? A short while ago you were telling us that the Democrats were rigging elections by manipulating demographics by the means of flying immigrants to 'purple states'. Surely this means it's easier to rig by manipulating demographics through the current electoral college system. If it was a straight numbers game there would be no point/need to fly immigrants into purple states because their vote would count wherever they were.

You seem a little confused on this matter?
 




Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,482
Vilamoura, Portugal
Eh? A short while ago you were telling us that the Democrats were rigging elections by manipulating demographics by the means of flying immigrants to 'purple states'. Surely this means it's easier to rig by manipulating demographics through the current electoral college system. If it was a straight numbers game there would be no point/need to fly immigrants into purple states because their vote would count wherever they were.

You seem a little confused on this matter?
He's just plain wrong.
 


Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
1,080
That's obviously nonsense. Under the electoral college system Trump only needs to rig the vote by a few tens of thousands of votes in 2 or 3 states to steal the election For example the 80,000 odd votes he asked Raffensburger to "find" in Georgia. Whereas he would have had to "find" over 7 million to steal the popular vote.

Which is why the left likes mass immigration, that method of Democracy would already be rigged towards a permanent Democrat president if in use.

That also works the other way as well by removing or preventing people from voting, the Democrats did that as well under Jim Crow laws.
 


Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
31,262
Maybe there IS hope with Trump. In a rare showing of fair-mindedness he tempered his boast of out-driving former golf great Arnold Palmer by admiting locker room gossip has it that Palmer has a huge cock and that he is "all man".

What next? Lyin' Kamala is a communist but her gym buddies say she has a cracking pair of tits?
 






sparkie

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
13,264
Hove
Trump won't last long as President will he ? His mental/physical health won't last the 4 years.

So that would mean President Vance. Is that a good prospect ?
 


Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
1,080
Eh? A short while ago you were telling us that the Democrats were rigging elections by manipulating demographics by the means of flying immigrants to 'purple states'. Surely this means it's easier to rig by manipulating demographics through the current electoral college system. If it was a straight numbers game there would be no point/need to fly immigrants into purple states because their vote would count wherever they were.

You seem a little confused on this matter?
No the straight democracy argument was a hypothetical to show why a constituency system was less corruptible.
 






Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,482
Vilamoura, Portugal
Maybe there IS hope with Trump. In a rare showing of fair-mindedness he tempered his boast of out-driving former golf great Arnold Palmer by admiting locker room gossip has it that Palmer has a huge cock and that he is "all man".

What next? Lyin' Kamala is a communist but her gym buddies say she has a cracking pair of tits?
Even though Palmer has been dead for 8 years.
 


Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,206
Cumbria
Which is why the left likes mass immigration, that method of Democracy would already be rigged towards a permanent Democrat president if in use.

That also works the other way as well by removing or preventing people from voting, the Democrats did that as well under Jim Crow laws.
If people want to go and live in a different country - and that results in a change in the way people vote in the long run; isn't that just Democracy in action?

But I'm puzzled by your mention of the Jim Crow laws. The Jim Crow laws suppressed the African-American vote. Isn't that precisely what you are in favour of - those pesky immigrant-types not being allowed to vote??
 






Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
1,080
If people want to go and live in a different country - and that results in a change in the way people vote in the long run; isn't that just Democracy in action?

But I'm puzzled by your mention of the Jim Crow laws. The Jim Crow laws suppressed the African-American vote. Isn't that precisely what you are in favour of - those pesky immigrant-types not being allowed to vote??

People do go and live in a different country the issue is how many the Government decide to let in and for what motives.

The blacks were not immigrants.

A political party opening borders in a calculating way to naturalise then give the vote to a cohort of immigrants to game the system, why is this a difficult concept to grasp?
 


Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,206
Cumbria
People do go and live in a different country the issue is how many the Government decide to let in and for what motives.

The blacks were not immigrants.

A political party opening borders in a calculating way to naturalise then give the vote to a cohort of immigrants to game the system, why is this a difficult concept to grasp?
"African-Americans" were NOT immigrants? ? Are you sure? Why do you think they have the word 'African' in their description?
 


Gazwag

5 millionth post poster
Mar 4, 2004
30,729
Bexhill-on-Sea
Is Harris 'adored' by many? My observation is that she is celebrated as a serious and realistic candidate for the role, unlike the frivolously pathetic performance of the opposition. Strongly analogous to Starmer vs. the Tories.
To use a football analgy it's the answer most football supporters gave in the first 20 odd years of the Premier league in August to "who do you want to win the league this year" - Anybody but Man Utd
 




kevo

Well-known member
Mar 8, 2008
9,798
Trump won't last long as President will he ? His mental/physical health won't last the 4 years.

So that would mean President Vance. Is that a good prospect ?
Vance would enact 'Project 2025', which even Trump has distanced himself from.

So in a word, no.
 


Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
NSC Patron
Jul 16, 2003
58,789
hassocks

He previously praised Trump during the forest fires and covid


There is enough to go at him for rather than finding evidence to counter what Newsome says here, helps Trump no end


Newsome however should have been the nominee and I imagine will be at the next election, I imagine he would have been miles ahead of Trump now.
 


papachris

Well-known member
Musk spending a million a day to get voters to sign up to his pro-Trump petition. Those who sign the petition - which pledges to support free speech and gun rights - ‘will have to give their contact details, potentially allowing AmericaPAC to contact them about their vote’.


As I mentioned above - swing voters (the target here) generally treat Musk with suspicion and distrust and he is possibly wasting a lot of money mainly preaching to the converted.🙂

“A recent NBC News poll found that just 31% of independents view Musk positively. That said, the billionaire is fairly popular with Republican voters. The poll found 62% of GOP voters have positive feelings about Musk, though only 7% of Democrats said the same.”

Surely this can't be legal. Basically buying votes!
 


Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
6,901
Surely this can't be legal. Basically buying votes!
No, personally I don’t see how it can be (although I’m not that familiar with federal law on election spending - I do know there are very strict campaign finance laws in the US (that was part of the indictments on the Stormy Daniels case against Trump’s lawyer, Cohen, who it was argued exceeded campaign finance spending by paying her off to help Trump’s 2016 election)

Federal laws make it illegal to give money to people to sign a petition requiring them to be registered to vote - Musks SuperPAC has made it clear that those who sign the petition could be contacted about their vote.

If it’s not illegal, Musk is treading a very fine line imo given his proximity to Trump’s campaign.
 




Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,206
Cumbria


Albion my Albion

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Feb 6, 2016
19,605
Indiana, USA
Trump won't last long as President will he ? His mental/physical health won't last the 4 years.

So that would mean President Vance. Is that a good prospect ?

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