Thatcher or Bellotti?

[Beach Hut]

HT and an ill-judged thread, seems it would happen in Germany

 

[Questions]

HT, regardless of our differing political views always had a lot of time for you, please read my thoughts from another DB thread.

"Even at the risk of getting flamed, some personal thoughts that have come out over the course of today.

Like thousands of other Albion fans for nearly 20 years I've almost looked forward to the day of DB's passing, but when it actually happened I found myself Really feeling nothing.

It might have had something to do with losing my own mother in the last couple of months, but for all his many faults and personality disorders, Bellotti was a parent himself.

He was the front man for Archer and Stanley, whatever he got paid for it, was it really worth it?

After July 1995 he endured all kinds of abuse, both verbally and in print a 'favourite' emanating from his then wife, the 'lovely Jo' and the allegations about her and a Liverpool striker.

He had to have his calls and post monitored, was brought to games under strict security, we had to talk an over zealous Gulls Eye reader from targeting Bellotti Junior outside his school and my own personal favourite was the Steve Foster incident when Fozzie sat in his office and said to him.
"David you are either the most switched on bloke to ever be at the Albion or you are the biggest **** this club has ever seen, and from where I'm sitting you don't look that intelligent"

He had to move away from Sussex and as a result became estranged from his son, which something as a parent I would find very hard to comprehend.

And perhaps worse of all he had that life sentence of always having to look over his shoulder, all over the world, because the Albion support gets everywhere, and there would always be that chance be it in a bar, hotel lobby, airport, restaurant in fact anywhere, that he would bump into one of us and get the verbal abuse he so richly deserved.

But 20 years on, we've lost too many good people, Robert Eaton, Roy Chuter, Sarah Watts, my mum and countless others that today I truly cannot celebrate a death, even his.

History will ultimately be the judge."

So HT do we really need this thread?

Took Bushfire Erskine for a pint last night and even he manage a 'f*****g tosser
The stroke took some things away from the boy but luckily he still has his banning order from the Goldstone somewhere to remind him.

 

[albion1972]

So, Thatcher's death moved you the most?

You are a grade one **** ...sad attention seeking pathetic ****

 

[The Camel]

We are still feeling the effects of Thatcher's purge on the working classes.

No council houses for our young unemployed, impotent trade unions, public utilities sold off for a fraction of their true value etc etc

Bellotti was a greedy scumbag. But not much different to many other greedy scumbags in the world of business.

Thatcher was pure evil.

No contest IMO.


EDIT: But I don't/never would celebrate anyone's death. Even if they are evil, they almost certainly have people who love them, and I feel genuine sympathy for those who lose a loved one.

 

[Return of the Rev]

Come on, it's Friday. Or do you want pictures of dogs in fancy dress?

TBH YES!

 

[BigBod]

Loved Mrs T, but I would say that, especially this time of year. 14th of June is Liberation day in the Falklands. As a Falklands vet it is a very poignant time of year for me. She had the bollocks to stand up to the Argies against ministerial advice. I was lucky enough to meet her on the 30th anniversary of the war, what a lovely lady.

 

[Hamilton]

You are comparing a lady who will go down in history as one of our greatest ever prime ministers and put the Great back in Britain to a nothing failed MP who tried to help ruin and lose our club. No comparison.

Exactly how did she put the 'Great' back in Britain.

I'm not one for dancing on anyone's grave, but what you've written isn't true. She may have made a few people very rich and sold a lot of assets, but that's not putting the Great back in Britain. The UK didn't settle down until Major came along. Maggie was a basket case.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You are comparing a lady who will go down in history as one of our greatest ever prime ministers and put the Great back in Britain to a nothing failed MP who tried to help ruin and lose our club. No comparison.

Not everyone will agree with your assessment of Mrs T.

 

[Diego Napier]

Give it a rest,very childish.

The first time I can remember being in agreement with you (even though the very same accusation could probably be levelled at most of your posts!).

 

[Hamilton]

Excellent post, I always thought him a stooge, used by Stanley and Archer to deflect the shite that should have been theirs.

Agree with Harty's post, but the bloke was never a stooge. He was in it up to his neck and pushed everything through with zeal.

Like most, I feel nothing. Bloke's dead. He nearly destroyed my football club. But, time has passed now. I feel nothing towards him.

I hope his family and children are OK at this time.

 

[BLOCK F]

Not everyone will agree with your assessment of Mrs T.

Likewise, not everyone will disagree.

 

[BensGrandad]

It is all down to opinions and political persuasion. IMHO she made people proud to be seen as British.

 

[Danny-Boy]

RIP Sir Christopher Lee.

There was a time I would willingly have swapped Edward Woodward in the burning seat for Dame Maggie.

I met Belotti a couple of times, once when he was my local MP. Difficult to judge his character from that, I think he was a victim of history, without Gow's death he would never have become an MP in my view.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Give it a rest,very childish.

Well said Rev. I don't even know why I bothered opening this thread. But at least I need read no further as you said it all.

 

[Nibble]

I'm certainly glad Thatcher died. I hope it took a long time and really hurt.

 

[catfish]

Bellotti f***** my club, Thatcher f***** my country. I'm glad they're both no longer with us.

 

[Nibble]

Contrary to popular belief Thatcher was going to leave the Falklands to its own devices. She believed they were an insignificant group of islands we'd be better off without. Her polls were down, her popularity was low. Her cabinet urged her to engage with the Argies. They impressed upon her how good it would be for her chances of winning the next election. Then and only then did she decide to declare war. Make no mistake, our forces did a magnificent job there but they were only there because the nasty bitch wanted to boost her popularity.

 

[Lenny Rider]

I met Belotti a couple of times, once when he was my local MP. Difficult to judge his character from that, I think he was a victim of history, without Gow's death he would never have become an MP in my view.

People forget that at the beginning of his tenure he created an illusion that would have put Siegfried and Roy to shame.

Even before coming Chief Exec he'd come up to the church on a matchday with Mrs B, buy a Gulls Eye and have a chat.

Then one of his first tasks as CEO in late 1993 was sacking Barry Lloyd arguably at that time rightly or wrongly one of the most unpopular managers the club has ever had and replacing him a footballing household name, Liam Brady.

He and Brady later received a standing ovation at the Gulls Eye Dinner at the Dudley Hotel in May 1994.

He appeared to have won the majority of fans over fairly early.

He then allowed GE to sponsor games in 94-95, the likes of Samrah, Baine, Chuter et al drinking and eating in the same room as Stanley, Bellotti and the younger Mrs B.

Smart move, get the fan-base on board, even the revolutionary and reactionary ones, very clever, until after July 1995 when the smoke, mirrors and skulduggery became apparent.

But again to re-iterate we're all better people for not celebrating his demise.

Ironically, and HT probably knew this when he started the thread, there's an argument to say that Bellotti's by election win was the beginning of the end for Maggie as Prime minister.

 

[Return of the Rev]

People forget that at the beginning of his tenure he created an illusion that would have put Siegfried and Roy to shame.

Even before coming Chief Exec he'd come up to the church on a matchday with Mrs B, buy a Gulls Eye and have a chat.

Then one of his first tasks as CEO in late 1993 was sacking Barry Lloyd arguably at that time rightly or wrongly one of the most unpopular managers the club has ever had and replacing him a footballing household name, Liam Brady.

He and Brady later received a standing ovation at the Gulls Eye Dinner at the Dudley Hotel in May 1994.

He appeared to have won the majority of fans over fairly early.

He then allowed GE to sponsor games in 94-95, the likes of Samrah, Baine, Chuter et al drinking and eating in the same room as Stanley, Bellotti and the younger Mrs B.

Smart move, get the fan-base on board, even the revolutionary and reactionary ones, very clever, until after July 1995 when the smoke, mirrors and skulduggery became apparent.

But again to re-iterate we're all better people for not celebrating his demise.

Ironically, and HT probably knew this when he started the thread, there's an argument to say that Bellotti's by election win was the beginning of the end for Maggie as Prime minister.

He swerved the question at the concord regarding the cup final cash

 

[ALBION28]

You are comparing a lady who will go down in history as one of our greatest ever prime ministers and put the Great back in Britain to a nothing failed MP who tried to help ruin and lose our club. No comparison.

Surely great Primeministers deliver greatness to the nation that could not be said of Mrs Thatcher. She took apart a nation, destroyed the political consensus we have never recovered. In football terms she ending standing at games (kind of), stopped community funding of local clubs, sold off school sports fields. Bellotti in league with Archer nearly destroyed our club, and much as that is important to me personally he did not harm such a wide audience. I pick Thatcher.