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For Akpom to have scored once against us we must have been shit, I am guessing for him to score a hat-trick we must have played a half without a goalkeeper or any defenders.
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For Akpom to have scored once against us we must have been shit, I am guessing for him to score a hat-trick we must have played a half without a goalkeeper or any defenders.
Which is a great example of why I voted for who I did in that poll the other week. You are a masterpiece.
Gazwag
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Leon Best scored against us once as well in a first team game, if I remember correctly it came off his shoulder.
Nottseagull
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Not even in this season?
By the way, Huddersfield nicked it because they scored fewer goals than Cardiff. 'Go figure', as the Americans would say.
Back then, teams on equal points were separated by goal average, not difference. It was scrapped in the 70s because, as you say, average favoured teams that scored fewer goals.
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Cardiff's Len Davies missed a late penalty in the final match of the season, a 0-0 draw at Birmingham. Their final goal average was 0.024 worse than that of Huddersfield, who beat Nottingham Forest 3-0. Cardiff scored one more goal and conceded one more; under current rules they would be champions, having scored more.
Source: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/looking-back-1924-cardiff-city-2504565
He scored 8 hat-tricks for Cardiff, the one he scored in January 1922 (in a 6-3 win over Bradford City) being Cardiff's first ever in Division 1 (and, btw, the Football League).
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Nottseagull
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That was only true for teams at the top. For relegation issues, i.e. in cases of negative identical goal difference, the higher scorers had the advantage. The fact that you could improve your goal average by losing (and vice versa) showed the system's illogicality.
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Not Andy Naylor
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No, sorry. Lawson, Cherry and Mahoney.
Nottseagull
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I didn't know it was that close; always assumed the closest was in 1988-89 when Arsenal's unlikely 2-0 victory at Anfield in the last match won it, whereas a 1-0 victory would have resulted in their opponents becoming champions instead.
That's quite a table. Forest, Norwich, Derby and Coventry in the top 7.
Yes, good point.
It was a bizarre system and, in the days before calculators, made it hard to work out where your team was in the league
Back then we did mental arithmetic - it was even taught in schools!
Ha. A couple of years ago, I bought two items at 75p and I had trouble paying for them as "the till was broken and someone else was using the calculator". So, yes, people would have had problems in working out goal averages in their head.
"A couple of years ago", yes, I can believe that degree of numerical ineptitude. Goal average was dispensed with more than a generation ago, not two years!
You're missing the point. Yes, some people could work out averages in their head (I can as well) but the vast majority of people couldn't - we're talking about a time when most people left school at 16 and having even a couple of O levels was relatively rare.
I remember adverts about 30 years ago aimed at encouraging adults to take numeracy classes - that implies that there was a big problem with maths skills back then
I'm not missing the point at all. Numeracy levels were much higher than they are now (nobody had calculators). All shop assistants - plus booking clerks, bus conductors, etc, - had to be able to add up. And this was in pounds, shillings and pence too, with half pennies involved (and up to 1960, quarter pennies too).
And never mind O' levels and leaving school at 15 - unless you had genuine learning difficulties you'd know your times tables before you left primary school at 11 - you spent probably half an hour reciting them every morning!
Presumably you don't improve your average by losing, you improve it by completing the game, and losing would be less good for your average than drawing or winning. Obviously at the end of the season all teams have completed the same number of games. They were just rewarding teams that let in fewer goals.
Nottseagull
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Not sure what you're saying there but take this example: You've conceded twice as many as you've scored but then go and lose 2-3.The revised ratio is slightly improved whereas if you had lost 2-4, it would be unchanged.
Yeah, so you haven't been rewarded for losing, your average would have been improved more had you won or drawn, and losing 2-3 isn't as bad as losing 2-4, so it makes sense it's better.
Nottseagull
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Not necessarily. If you'd drawn the match 0-0 instead, your goal average would have been unchanged and therefore slightly inferior to the GA improved by the 2-3 defeat.