Behind Enemy Lines
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I seem to remember Michael Owen blatantly diving in the 2002 World Cup to win us a penalty against them. Some might call that cheating so let's not get too pompous about this. Butcher's behaving like a child.
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Terry Butcher & Maradona
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M0DERAT0R
To be fair, he did have arguably his most successful playing days north of the border.
vegster
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I remember Owen getting "Clipped" for a penalty when there was not much contact, however, that night the Argies were effectively playing on rollerskates and so " When in Rome...."
Nemesis
SERIOUSLY!
Isn't it the sweaties who are the ones who need to grow up? Didn't the Daily Record award the cheating little twat a Crystal hand mounted on a globe or ball-or was that a joke?
At least the coke dealers around the Hampden Park area of Glasgow will make a few bob whilst Maradona is over. Always thought it unfair how the smack boys made all the serious dosh.
vegster
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I bet the purveyors of deep fried Mars Bars/Pizza and Kebabs are upset too....
Skaville
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I have to say that Terry Butcher has annoyed the hell out of me in the past few years and seems to be one of those anti England media whores (take a bow Chris Waddle) that the press seem to roll out to slag off England. However Butcher redeemed himself to me in todays Guardian...
Terry Butcher may be the only man in Scotland who appears unwilling to shake the Hand of God. The former England captain and now assistant manager of the Scottish national team, spoke candidly yesterday about his unwillingness to forgive or forget Diego Maradona for "that" iconic goal in the 1986 World Cup quarter-final.
Maradona's hand flick, of course, contributed to England and Butcher's elimination, a matter which has been celebrated among Scottish football fans in the form of T-shirts and songs. Tomorrow the pair will come face to face for the first time in 22 years as Maradona begins his career as his country's head coach at Hampden Park.
Butcher, however, says they are unlikely to exchange even basic pleasantries despite the prospect of the Tartan Army hailing the former Argentina playmaker in vociferous fashion. "I'll never forgive him," said Butcher. "At the end of the day it is not nice when you lose a World Cup quarter-final under those circumstances. It's very hard to forgive and forget in the circumstances. But it was 22 years ago. I think I'm 4-1 to get a red card in the tunnel - it would be the fist of Terry Butcher rather than the hand."
When asked if he would enjoy a chat with Maradona regarding the incident in Mexico's Estadio Azteca, the former Rangers and Ipswich Town defender added: "No. We have got to share technical areas but that's it as far as I'm concerned." What of a handshake, at the end of tomorrow's match, even? "No, I'm not bothered about that. For me, that's not a focal point." Think again, Terry.
Butcher's obvious pain relates to Maradona's "attitude long after the game", or rather that the 48-year-old has shown little remorse. The pair were together immediately after that infamous game as they were drug-tested. Butcher, along with his England team-mates Gary Stevens and Kenny Sansom, struggled to contain their anger. It could have been a warzone in there but it wasn't. I wasn't next to him; if I was I might have done something. I would pay a few thousand pounds to be in that drugs room again if I knew he was going to be in there," added Butcher.
"He came in and celebrated. He was the last person you wanted to see because, remember, he had also scored a wonderful goal on the way to which he beat me twice. I felt it more than anybody else.
"When I signalled to him about the head or the hand, he pointed to his head. Maybe that was because it was a small room and there were three Englishmen, not very happy, so he probably took the safe option. But that irritated me even more. If he had come in and said 'It was my hand, I apologise' then I would have only [wanted to] hit him four or five times instead of 20."
Butcher moved almost immediately after that World Cup campaign to Scotland, where the Hand of God affair proved highly topical. "I saw more Argentina shirts in Scotland than I did in Mexico, people kept chanting 'Argentina' at me."
The Scotland defender Gary Caldwell revealed Butcher had made his motivations for tomorrow's friendly perfectly clear during a team meeting on Sunday evening. "He said they [Argentina] can be horrible to play against and will do anything to win," Caldwell said. "We have to try to rise above that."
The striker Chris Iwelumo said that Butcher had become "quite emotional" when referring to the Argentinians. "I don't have a particularly strong liking for Argentina so that came across," Butcher explained. "James McFadden piped up and said 'we actually like Maradona'. I don't think anybody wants to beat them more than I do, put it that way."
Butcher is, at least, able to see the funny side occasionally. "I don't have a Maradona doll at home with pins in it," he said with a laugh, "but that is a good idea, I might get one. I'll never get over it."
However Butcher acknowledged that for Argentina's players having Maradona in charge was a great boost. "For the best player who played for a country to be the coach of that country, is fantastic for the Argentina players," he said. "The players do hold him in high regard and it's something special when someone like that is in charge of your country."
He thought that might work against Scotland. "Argentina's players will be very keen to impress their new boss, their hero, their idol. So I'm sure the players will be pulling out all the stops for him to get into the team for their World Cup qualifiers."
Despite that Butcher felt it would be an "an excellent test" for Scotland and they would be taking the game to them. "We are not looking just to play second fiddle to Argentina, we are looking to do well in the game. I want to beat them."
Terry Butcher may be the only man in Scotland who appears unwilling to shake the Hand of God. The former England captain and now assistant manager of the Scottish national team, spoke candidly yesterday about his unwillingness to forgive or forget Diego Maradona for "that" iconic goal in the 1986 World Cup quarter-final.
Maradona's hand flick, of course, contributed to England and Butcher's elimination, a matter which has been celebrated among Scottish football fans in the form of T-shirts and songs. Tomorrow the pair will come face to face for the first time in 22 years as Maradona begins his career as his country's head coach at Hampden Park.
Butcher, however, says they are unlikely to exchange even basic pleasantries despite the prospect of the Tartan Army hailing the former Argentina playmaker in vociferous fashion. "I'll never forgive him," said Butcher. "At the end of the day it is not nice when you lose a World Cup quarter-final under those circumstances. It's very hard to forgive and forget in the circumstances. But it was 22 years ago. I think I'm 4-1 to get a red card in the tunnel - it would be the fist of Terry Butcher rather than the hand."
When asked if he would enjoy a chat with Maradona regarding the incident in Mexico's Estadio Azteca, the former Rangers and Ipswich Town defender added: "No. We have got to share technical areas but that's it as far as I'm concerned." What of a handshake, at the end of tomorrow's match, even? "No, I'm not bothered about that. For me, that's not a focal point." Think again, Terry.
Butcher's obvious pain relates to Maradona's "attitude long after the game", or rather that the 48-year-old has shown little remorse. The pair were together immediately after that infamous game as they were drug-tested. Butcher, along with his England team-mates Gary Stevens and Kenny Sansom, struggled to contain their anger. It could have been a warzone in there but it wasn't. I wasn't next to him; if I was I might have done something. I would pay a few thousand pounds to be in that drugs room again if I knew he was going to be in there," added Butcher.
"He came in and celebrated. He was the last person you wanted to see because, remember, he had also scored a wonderful goal on the way to which he beat me twice. I felt it more than anybody else.
"When I signalled to him about the head or the hand, he pointed to his head. Maybe that was because it was a small room and there were three Englishmen, not very happy, so he probably took the safe option. But that irritated me even more. If he had come in and said 'It was my hand, I apologise' then I would have only [wanted to] hit him four or five times instead of 20."
Butcher moved almost immediately after that World Cup campaign to Scotland, where the Hand of God affair proved highly topical. "I saw more Argentina shirts in Scotland than I did in Mexico, people kept chanting 'Argentina' at me."
The Scotland defender Gary Caldwell revealed Butcher had made his motivations for tomorrow's friendly perfectly clear during a team meeting on Sunday evening. "He said they [Argentina] can be horrible to play against and will do anything to win," Caldwell said. "We have to try to rise above that."
The striker Chris Iwelumo said that Butcher had become "quite emotional" when referring to the Argentinians. "I don't have a particularly strong liking for Argentina so that came across," Butcher explained. "James McFadden piped up and said 'we actually like Maradona'. I don't think anybody wants to beat them more than I do, put it that way."
Butcher is, at least, able to see the funny side occasionally. "I don't have a Maradona doll at home with pins in it," he said with a laugh, "but that is a good idea, I might get one. I'll never get over it."
However Butcher acknowledged that for Argentina's players having Maradona in charge was a great boost. "For the best player who played for a country to be the coach of that country, is fantastic for the Argentina players," he said. "The players do hold him in high regard and it's something special when someone like that is in charge of your country."
He thought that might work against Scotland. "Argentina's players will be very keen to impress their new boss, their hero, their idol. So I'm sure the players will be pulling out all the stops for him to get into the team for their World Cup qualifiers."
Despite that Butcher felt it would be an "an excellent test" for Scotland and they would be taking the game to them. "We are not looking just to play second fiddle to Argentina, we are looking to do well in the game. I want to beat them."
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Easy 10, Questions, I have been pontificating that exact point for a number of years now, and you are the first 2 people I've ever known agree.
I love you both
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Butcher is a sad and bitter man. It was 22 years ago so grow up and get a life.
Norman Whiteside's foul on Chris Ramsey in 1983 however is a different matter
Norman Whiteside's foul on Chris Ramsey in 1983 however is a different matter
Basil Fawlty
Don't Mention The War
If I was butcher, I would show the little fat bastard what real blood tastes like.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Your "little fat b*******d" was the greatest player of our time
. Second only to Pele as the greatest player ever.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Your "little fat b*******d" was the greatest player of our time
Still a cheating f***ing little wanker though.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Your "little fat b*******d" was the greatest player of our time
Indeed people perhaps forget Maradonna was a genius of a player and also a pleasure to watch at times. His skill was memorable especially soinning through challenges, I wonder how many remember him single handedly destroying Belgium.
He had his chance in that room...... Was it your head or your hand ?
Yeah right...a dirty cheating dago is going to tell the truth Butcher you fool.
GNF on Tour
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Your "little fat b*******d" was the greatest player of our time
Yeah, he was also a cheating, coke snorting adultorous little ****. Are you Scottish?
vegster
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We should bear in mind his whole career was a story of cheating and drug taking. If the goal against England had been a one off it might not have been so bad....There are at least half a dozen better players than The Fat Coked One anyway... 2nd behind Pele ? Sod off
Southwick_Seagull
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Butcher is a sad and bitter man. It was 22 years ago so grow up and get a life.
Norman Whiteside's foul on Chris Ramsey in 1983 however is a different matter
Players get very few chances to even play in World Cups let alone have a realistic chance of winning one or reaching a final, i'm not saying that Maradona single handly took away Butcher's World Cup medal because who knows what would have happened if the hand of god had not happened but he was a major factor in us being knocked out and meaning potentinally the greatest moment of his carear was taken away from him, i'd still be pretty pissed off
AGREED.
Argie ****. f*** him. Suprise, suprise the jocks give him a nice welcome. They would support ANY team over England in most tournaments.....
Serve him up Butcher..!!!