Teen abortion girl pregnant again

[Lammy]

I do think it's acceptable not to work, yes.
But, as i said, i do work and will carry on doing so because it suits me best and i get the opportunity to help one or two people. One day, i'll give that up and put all my efforts into being a writer.
I have no problem with those who claim as many benefits as possible because i see it as irrelevant to what i consider the "bigger picture".

To be fair Meade's Ball you have always stuck to the point of the thread and made you point clear to all. I may disagree with you but at least I know what we are disagreeing about!

Some of these others that have jumped on the band wagon have missed to point a bit I think.

 

[caz99]

I do think it's acceptable not to work, yes.
But, as i said, i do work and will carry on doing so because it suits me best and i get the opportunity to help one or two people. One day, i'll give that up and put all my efforts into being a writer.
I have no problem with those who claim as many benefits as possible because i see it as irrelevant to what i consider the "bigger picture".

yes its not as important as war and poverty. but if thought like that about everything i would never get anywhere or get anything done.

to be honest i just give up with people like you. it is a friggin problem claiming as many benefits as possible if they are not entitled to them or are quite capable of going to work.

have we missed the whole point of the social security dept? it was set up to help wasters

 

[Meade's Ball]

to be honest i just give up with people like you.

Thanks.

 

[caz99]

Thanks.

welcome although i agree with lammy at least you havent got off on a tangent and stuck to the point in question

 

[Meade's Ball]

welcome although i agree with lammy at least you havent got off on a tangent and stuck to the point in question

High praise indeed.

 

[caz99]

High praise indeed.

not really

anyway thanks for the healthy debate

 

[Easy 10]

This argument has been like trying to nail jelly to a wall.

My take on the central thrust of the debate is this.

Is it acceptable, for able-bodied people who do not wish to work, to choose instead to deliberately use and manipulate the state benefits system through pregnancy or other means ?

My opinion, and answer to that is no, it is not acceptable.


Should we stop their benefits then ?

No, we shouldn't. But state benefits for the able bodied should be considered a privilege, not a right. In less developed countries, people who do not work simply starve. We do not allow that in this country, but that does not mean that benefits should be used to fund a long-term lifestyle free of work. Benefits should be treated as a temporary assist to keep someone "ticking over" until employment is found.

I can't see how people can disagree with this, but perhaps I am ignorant and blinkered.

 

[Lammy]

I keep asking what "should be done" to prevent this but
Caz and Lammy have studiously ignored this question.

Surely this has been answered for you now? Or have you realised that you've come across as a bit of a plonker for getting the wrong end of the stick?

 

[Barnet Seagull]

Interesting stuff.

It's very easy to say that education is the only way to solve the problem of benefit fraud and teenage pregnancy, realistically how can it be done?

 

[Barnet Seagull]

oops

 

[Meade's Ball]

I totally understand why people think that others should work, just as we all feel we have to. Much of my feeling toward it is based on the fact that we WASTE our lives doing this pointless rubbish for someone else's profit just so we "get by".
The romantic in me wants more for people than that. And if that means me subsidising some people, then fine.

 

[London Calling]

To be fair Meade's Ball you have always stuck to the point of the thread and made you point clear to all. I may disagree with you but at least I know what we are disagreeing about!

Some of these others that have jumped on the band wagon have missed to point a bit I think.

Not sure if that point is meant to include me. Anyhow here goes.

I was making the point. How do you define a scrounger?

14-15 year olds with kids are an easy target.

How ever 30 yeAR OLD SINGLE MUMS are more prevalent and costly.

Deprivation and related poor education is strongly correlated to teenage pregnancy. It is a key point not so easily dismissed as a tangental point.

In addition, the environment of an area also has a strong impact on the heath and attitude of its residents.


Stuff coming out of the DHS now recognises this.


Basically Meade might have stuck to the opening line, but I was looking at the whole picture.

And the "she should have kept her legs shut the dirty slag" and "dirty scounging mare" Is not actually a progresive way forward.

We are meant to be a caring, civilised country. Isn't about time that the whole of our citizens took forward this sentiment and ignore the attacks on people who are generally less fortunate then most people on NSC>

LC

 

[CHAPPERS]

I totally understand why people think that others should work, just as we all feel we have to. Much of my feeling toward it is based on the fact that we WASTE our lives doing this pointless rubbish for someone else's profit just so we "get by".
The romantic in me wants more for people than that. And if that means me subsidising some people, then fine.

I think that sums it up for me. I would have tried to argue on this thread but the best I could come up with would still have been 'sllllaaaaaaaaaaag'.

 

[Lammy]

Interesting stuff.

It's very easy to say that education is the only way to solve the problem of benefit fraud and teenage pregnancy, realistically how can it be done?

I'm not sure it's the same answer for both problems. although there are cases of teenagers getting pregnant in order to get a house I don't think that is the main reason. I think there are two major factors, one is having unprotected sex and the other is a desire to have a baby because it seems like a good idea.

There was a program on TV resently about teenage mothers and one technique they used to prepare expectant mothers was to use a smart doll. This doll was effectively the same as a baby. It needed to be picked up, it's head supported, fed watered etc. It then recorded lots of data on how the girls did.

I wouldn't mind seeing this sort of thing used in schools on all children before they get to that stage.




As for people not wanting to work, I believe this is brought on by two major factors. One, seeing their parents do sweet FA all their lives. Two not realising what opportunities are available to them.

 

[Easy 10]

I totally understand why people think that others should work, just as we all feel we have to. Much of my feeling toward it is based on the fact that we WASTE our lives doing this pointless rubbish for someone else's profit just so we "get by".
The romantic in me wants more for people than that. And if that means me subsidising some people, then fine.

I kind of get where you're coming from.
We only get one life on this planet, and it DOES feel wasteful spending large chunks of it sitting around in offices, or on building sites, or driving round in lorrys doing jobs we basically don't want to do. Instead, we should be spending more time with friends and families, swimming with dolphins, hugging trees and fondling small furry quadropeds.

But we don't live in an ideal world. Money makes the world go round, we are all slaves to that, and to that end we all have to play the game. Nobody else should have to fund the lifestyle of those who decide to cop-out because they want to watch Trisha instead.

 

[Lammy]

Not sure if that point is meant to include me. Anyhow here goes.

I was making the point. How do you define a scrounger?

14-15 year olds with kids are an easy target.

How ever 30 yeAR OLD SINGLE MUMS are more prevalent and costly.

Deprivation and related poor education is strongly correlated to teenage pregnancy. It is a key point not so easily dismissed as a tangental point.

In addition, the environment of an area also has a strong impact on the heath and attitude of its residents.


Stuff coming out of the DHS now recognises this.


Basically Meade might have stuck to the opening line, but I was looking at the whole picture.

And the "she should have kept her legs shut the dirty slag" and "dirty scounging mare" Is not actually a progresive way forward.

We are meant to be a caring, civilised country. Isn't about time that the whole of our citizens took forward this sentiment and ignore the attacks on people who are generally less fortunate then most people on NSC>

LC

Yes it was. Of course there is a much bigger picture as to the reasons WHY there are teenage mums and scroungers (the two are not the same btw). But we would be here all day discussing that. The answer would be to 'cure' poverty completely but that is a seperate issue.

 

[Lammy]

Ahhhh can you FEEL the love?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Jeeeez, I've only just finished reading this thread !

Fancy standing for election Lammy ? You'd get my vote !

 

[Meade's Ball]

I kind of get where you're coming from.
We only get one life on this planet, and it DOES feel wasteful spending large chunks of it sitting around in offices, or on building sites, or driving round in lorrys doing jobs we basically don't want to do. Instead, we should be spending more time with friends and families, swimming with dolphins, hugging trees and fondling small furry quadropeds.

But we don't live in an ideal world. Money makes the world go round, we are all slaves to that, and to that end we all have to play the game. Nobody else should have to fund the lifestyle of those who decide to cop-out because they want to watch Trisha instead.

That's just what "the man" wants you to feel.


I would concur that watching Trisha is not MORE than pushing bits of paper round a desk and occasionally firing elastic bands at the fat people in your office.

But you are right Easy, we are slaves. And that makes me feel a little sick.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

You could always get a better, more rewarding job.