[Misc] Team Bike or Team Van?

[Geoffbn2]

No road tax, no rights.

no one pays road tax it's a duty paid on the vehicle and based on emissions etc

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

no one pays road tax it's a duty paid on the vehicle and based on emissions etc

After an afternoon down the pub eating and drinking god knows what,those cyclist are among the worst offender..

 

[OzMike]

Of course, he deserved to be injured because of that ! Incidentally, there is no such thing as road tax.

Didn't look injured to me and could still ride off after and be a nuisance to other drivers.

 

[OzMike]

I thinking you still have the right to life.

From the short bit of video evidence I'm team bike. Whatever happens you don't try and Deliberately hurt anyone on the roads, dangerous enough place to be as it is, without the likes of that van driver.

Granted, comments were tongue in cheek, but both parties have to be sensible and the cyclist in the middle of the road was clearly not and looked to be antagonising the driver by staying there despite knowing he was in the way.
Not condoning the drivers actions, just condemning the cyclists actions which bought it about.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That explains the two tossers riding side by side on the A264 at the weekend, going no more than 10 miles an hour whilst in the middle of a 70mph road. But I'm sure it would've been the fault of a car driver had they had an accident...

#cyclistlogic

If the speed limit was 70mph, it would be on a dual carriageway, otherwise it's 60.

 

[Bold Seagull]

You are wrong!

Only if the bike is doing 10mph or less, which in the clip it's clearly going faster, so no overtaking while 2 solid lines.

 

[OzMike]

No.

Motorists pay a duty to be on the roads, cyclists don't and are in effect guests allowed to use it.
Duties paid by the motorists are used to provide cycle lanes for them hence insuring their safe passage in certain areas.
Most cyclists are sensible and realise that on a road that has a certain speed limit, that they would never be able to achieve, to stay to the side to let the vehicles that can achieve it to be allowed to.
Others are like this tit and strike at times when people have to be at destinations when time is of the essence, like a van trying to get to work or a job on time.

 

[OzMike]

It's called Vehicle Excise Duty, not road tax. It is based on emissions of CO2.

For cars registered before 1 March 2001 the excise duty is based on engine size (£140 for vehicles with a capacity of less than 1549 cc, £225 for vehicles with larger engines). For vehicles registered on or after 1 March 2001 charges are based on theoretical CO2 emission rates per kilometre.

Call it what you like, obviously changed since I was there.
Doesn't alter the fact that cyclists don't pay it and should realise that it is a privileged for them.

 

[OzMike]

Even the van driver himself is team bike.

Obviously had a relapse then.

 

[OzMike]

Sorry but does that count for an electric car or a hybrid or any other vehicle that pays nothing or next to nothing tax .

All motorised vehicles pay something, no matter how much it is it is still more than cyclists pay.

 

[OzMike]

no one pays road tax it's a duty paid on the vehicle and based on emissions etc

The duty is used for the upkeep of the roads and highways, which the cyclists use as well, bit one sided don't you think.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

All motorised vehicles pay something, no matter how much it is it is still more than cyclists pay.

No they don't.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The duty is used for the upkeep of the roads and highways, which the cyclists use as well, bit one sided don't you think.

Not since 1937, and I don't think you're that old, that you can remember prior that.

 

[OzMike]

One is an obstruction, the other is using a registered vehicle with intent to get to work inand should get treated as such..
#spaceforcycling

Corrected for you.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

All motorised vehicles pay something, no matter how much it is it is still more than cyclists pay.

Electric cars and vehicles with low emissions don't pay any tax either which kind of blows your theory out of the water. Should they be banned too?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Motorists pay a duty to be on the roads, cyclists don't and are in effect guests allowed to use it.
Duties paid by the motorists are used to provide cycle lanes for them hence insuring their safe passage in certain areas.
Most cyclists are sensible and realise that on a road that has a certain speed limit, that they would never be able to achieve, to stay to the side to let the vehicles that can achieve it to be allowed to.
Others are like this tit and strike at times when people have to be at destinations when time is of the essence, like a van trying to get to work or a job on time.

Motorists don't pay a duty to be on the road. SOME motorists pay Vehicle Excise Duty because they drive high polluting vehicles. Some motorists are exempt from paying VED because they use electric cars or other low emission vehicles. Bicycles are low emission vehicles and therefore they are exempt from VED.

Duties paid by motorists are NOT used to provide cycle lanes. Those duties are used to provide a wide range of public services, including defence spending, funding the NHS, education and national support for the arts. VED is part of general taxation, like income tax and VAT. All these taxes go into a single pot.

Cycle lanes are funded from general taxation, with some funding coming from local taxation (Council Taxes and Business Rates). Cyclists pay into general taxation and local taxation, same as all citizens.

The Highway Code does NOT recommend that cyclists keep to the far left. It recommends that cars treat cycles as if they are as wide as cars and that car and van drivers do not overtake cyclists on sections of single carriageway roads marked with double white lines.

Being in a hurry to get to a destination is not a defence for a charge of careless or dangerous driving.

 

[bhanutz]

Only if the bike is doing 10mph or less, which in the clip it's clearly going faster, so no overtaking while 2 solid lines.

That's not what you said though is it?

 

[neilbard]

Motorists don't pay a duty to be on the road. SOME motorists pay Vehicle Excise Duty because they drive high polluting vehicles. Some motorists are exempt from paying VED because they use electric cars or other low emission vehicles. Bicycles are low emission vehicles and therefore they are exempt from VED.

Duties paid by motorists are NOT used to provide cycle lanes. Those duties are used to provide a wide range of public services, including defence spending, funding the NHS, education and national support for the arts. VED is part of general taxation, like income tax and VAT. All these taxes go into a single pot.

Cycle lanes are funded from general taxation, with some funding coming from local taxation (Council Taxes and Business Rates). Cyclists pay into general taxation and local taxation, same as all citizens.

The Highway Code does NOT recommend that cyclists keep to the far left. It recommends that cars treat cycles as if they are as wide as cars and that car and van drivers do not overtake cyclists on sections of single carriageway roads marked with double white lines.

Being in a hurry to get to a destination is not a defence for a charge of careless or dangerous driving.

You are correct sir, but cycle law is very flimsy indeed, a cyclists is not legally obliged to use a cycle lane or wear a protective helmet or put their lights on when its foggy or adverse weather,

Highway Code Rule 66: States that cyclists should never ride more than two abreast and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding around bends.

It is perfectly legal for cyclists to ride side by side on most roads. It may however be sensible to cycle in single file on narrow roads or where a car is attempting to overtake.

Also VED is still a tax and it generates billions of pounds each year for the government.

Cycle law is outdated and needs revising.

 

[pb21]

You are correct sir, but cycle law is very flimsy indeed, a cyclists is not legally obliged to use a cycle lane or wear a protective helmet or put their lights on when its foggy or adverse weather,

Highway Code Rule 66: States that cyclists should never ride more than two abreast and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding around bends.

It is perfectly legal for cyclists to ride side by side on most roads. It may however be sensible to cycle in single file on narrow roads or where a car is attempting to overtake.

Also VED is still a tax and it generates billions of pounds each year for the government.

Cycle law is outdated and needs revising.

What is outdated and needs revising, far more than cycle law, is some people's attitude towards people who ride bikes.

 

[Bold Seagull]

That's not what you said though is it?

You answered someone else not me.