[Misc] Team Bike or Team Van?

[MattBackHome]

So not a 'draw' at all then. Glad we cleared that up.

- Was the match good?
- Yeah decent result. They scored 8 and we scored 1 so pretty chuffed with the draw.

 

[Bob!]

But the fact still remains the cyclist pays nothing via the road tax system, we all pay Income tax, VAT and National insurance. Ridiculous back at you sir!

I am a cyclist.

I pay 'Road Tax' on my Car.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He didn't he was clearly trying to pass while there is oncoming traffic with double lines on the road, the cyclist's position is the only thing that stops him attempting it. It is only because the oncoming traffic stops that he then overtakes, I think the white lines were completely irrelevant to him. Had the cyclist been over to the left, personally I have little doubt he would have tried to squeeze passed even with the oncoming traffic.

Spot on.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

If you genuinely don't think the van is the wrong then you shouldn't have a licence.

I see Vidette UK Ltd sacked their driver.

 

[Notters]

Yep, they're idiots. What's your point?

 

[Notters]

As someone who drives 20,000 miles a year, but only cycles perhaps 500, I would love to know why some drivers who don't cycle get so wound up about cyclists. I really would. I can't say I've ever been held up for more than about 30 seconds by a cyclists, but am held up by divvies driving at 30mph in a 60mph zone on a daily basis.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

He didn't he was clearly trying to pass while there is oncoming traffic with double lines on the road, the cyclist's position is the only thing that stops him attempting it. It is only because the oncoming traffic stops that he then overtakes, I think the white lines were completely irrelevant to him. Had the cyclist been over to the left, personally I have little doubt he would have tried to squeeze passed even with the oncoming traffic.

If you watch it again you will find the cyclist does not move his line and makes it as difficult as possible and then he first goes to smash the van with his hand (before the van swerves over) in an aggressive manner hence having no control over his vehicle, van driver see this in his wing mirror and decides to flick him in to the verge.

They were as bad as one another its just silly on the cyclist front for picking an argument with a solid lump of metal with a wound up driver behind the wheel.

If i was the judge i would through it out of court, that won't happen because of the obvious anti white van man and the love for cyclist since the Olympics.

Isn't it great to look at things from different angles!!

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Not read all of this, but surely WHATEVER happened in the lead up to the incident in the video, there is NO excuse for driving like that and running someone off the road. Regardless of the laws of the road, who was where on the road or what speed they were doing, there is no justification for that behaviour. If it was a tractor or a truck, he'd be in the same situation – only able to overtake when safe and legal to. I can't imagine him taking his chances with one of those...

 

[Clive Walker]

Cannot believe, I’m the only one who has actually spotted this. WATCH CAREFULLY. As the Van driver starts his overtaking manoeuvre the cyclist can be seen raising his right hand. Either striking the Van or waving his arm/fist/finger at the driver.

Having said that I do have it on good authority that the cyclist also shouted “Palace Scum”…………Therefore im with team BIKE!

 

[studio150]

Van driver should be charged with attempted murder

 

[Notters]

If i was the judge i would through it out of court, that won't happen because of the obvious anti white van man and the love for cyclist since the Olympics.

Isn't it great to look at things from different angles!!

So murder is ok provided that the murderer is angry?

 

[Badger Boy]

So not a 'draw' at all then. Glad we cleared that up.

Your arrogance is astounding. To highlight certain parts of my message and quote them out of context to suit your argument is childish and beneath you.

It's my opinion that this is a score draw between the cyclist who acted unacceptably and the motorist whose response was out of proportion. I've given my opinions, that's an end of my involvement here.

 

[Stat Brother]

Van driver should be charged with attempted murder

If that were the case, and the driver were to be found guilty, sadly we'd need considerably more prisons.

 

[Stat Brother]

I find the defence of the cyclists road position a little odd.

He's clearly considerably further across the road than the 'cameraman'.
Taking the video at face value, the van had to have passed said cameraman.
Even the final frames have the victim returning to the road directly in front of his buddy.
I'll hazard a guess he doesn't return to the road position held prior to the incident.

 

[Pantani]

He didn't he was clearly trying to pass while there is oncoming traffic with double lines on the road, the cyclist's position is the only thing that stops him attempting it. It is only because the oncoming traffic stops that he then overtakes, I think the white lines were completely irrelevant to him. Had the cyclist been over to the left, personally I have little doubt he would have tried to squeeze passed even with the oncoming traffic.

This 100%. I was about to write exactly this. It is really incredible how often people try to squeeze their cars through a gap that may or may not quite be there, in the assumption that a cyclist will get out of the way or will be ok if they are just clipped. Personally I find it is good practice to occupy the middle of a lane when there is a place where you do not want to be overtaken. All perfectly legal, sadly for the more impatient people in the world.

And yes, loads of cyclist do break the law as well.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Not a bikey by any stretch of the imagination, but one of my mates who is, reckoned that in town, the safest thing for a cyclist to do was make himself BIG i.e. stick to the centre of the lane, so as not to get squashed by far bigger, far more potentially lethal vehicles. Not quite sure the same applies to country lanes though. Cyclist was taking the piss a bit IMHO, but the white van then went all psycho on him with little or no thought as to the consequences. so a somewhat reluctant vote for Team Bike.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I find the defence of the cyclists road position a little odd.

He's clearly considerably further across the road than the 'cameraman'.
Taking the video at face value, the van had to have passed said cameraman.
Even the final frames have the victim returning to the road directly in front of his buddy.
I'll hazard a guess he doesn't return to the road position held prior to the incident.

My hypothesis would be that the van driver has dangerously squeezed passed other cyclists in the group and that there have been shouts from behind at the driver and some honking. This has caused the group to slow down a bit, but the lead cyclist has carried on at his pace which is why he is up front, but has heard the shouts and horn blasting and has decided that he's only going to let the van driver pass by using on coming lane when its clear.

Had he stayed well left, I think the van driver is going to try to squeeze passed him with wheels on the central pair of lines regardless of traffic, giving the cyclist less than a 1m to negotiate between the grass and the van.

Maybe you do just trust your bike skills hug the left and hope he does give you the room. Personally, I wouldn't have gone so blatantly central to the lane, but I would have been a decent 1m from the edge so he'd have to wait for the on coming traffic to be clear.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If you watch it again you will find the cyclist does not move his line and makes it as difficult as possible and then he first goes to smash the van with his hand (before the van swerves over) in an aggressive manner hence having no control over his vehicle, van driver see this in his wing mirror and decides to flick him in to the verge.

They were as bad as one another its just silly on the cyclist front for picking an argument with a solid lump of metal with a wound up driver behind the wheel.

If i was the judge i would through it out of court, that won't happen because of the obvious anti white van man and the love for cyclist since the Olympics.

Isn't it great to look at things from different angles!!

The cyclist bangs his hand on the side of the van to warn the driver that he's nearly run him over. Bikes don't have horns and a bell is next to useless in this situation.

You couldn't be a judge, because you have shown you've got no idea of the law.

 

[Stat Brother]

My hypothesis would be that the van driver has dangerously squeezed passed other cyclists in the group and that there have been shouts from behind at the driver and some honking. This has caused the group to slow down a bit, but the lead cyclist has carried on at his pace which is why he is up front, but has heard the shouts and horn blasting and has decided that he's only going to let the van driver pass by using on coming lane when its clear.

Had he stayed well left, I think the van driver is going to try to squeeze passed him with wheels on the central pair of lines regardless of traffic, giving the cyclist less than a 1m to negotiate between the grass and the van.

Maybe you do just trust your bike skills hug the left and hope he does give you the room. Personally, I wouldn't have gone so blatantly central to the lane, but I would have been a decent 1m from the edge so he'd have to wait for the on coming traffic to be clear.

I'm all for defensive riding, us making ourselves big, I do it enough myself.

I just can't imagine doing it on the A272, or any A road, irrespective of the 30mph limit painted on the road.
I'd have been hugging the curb and getting the van in front of me asap.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I'm all for defensive riding, us making ourselves big, I do it enough myself.

I just can't imagine doing it on the A272, or any A road, irrespective of the 30mph limit painted on the road.
I'd have been hugging the curb and getting the van in front of me asap.

So that's a vote for Team Van then?