Syrian asylum-seeker with machete kills woman in southern Germany

[looney]

Yet millions of Muslims live a perfectly normal and well rounded life.

So do KKK members so what?Thatsnot the issue here. Oh and you are wrong, they seek conquest in other ways like preying on non-muslim women and having breeding agendas.

 

[looney]

Is it?

You might think so but There must be many millions of people who would deny this was true.

Not mohammedians though.Mohammeds time was seen as perfect and everything else a shadow, so to an extent being the best muslim possible means turning back the clock.

 

[Mr Putdown]

Not mohammedians though.Mohammeds time was seen as perfect and everything else a shadow, so to an extent being the best muslim possible means turning back the clock.

So you agree with the point I made then.

 

[Hastings gull]

Is it?

You might think so but There must be many millions of people who would deny this was true.

Whilst you are no doubt right in that many millions would deny that Islam is outdated, how many of them would have had a genuine chance to reflect, compare and analyse, and then come to that conclusion?

 

[alfredmizen]

hahaha

I can preempt some of them.

Yes, I do have some friends who are muslim.

No, they are not all from this country.

No they don't have a problem with gay people.

Some of them do have jobs where they have to care/protect other people (a couple are teachers, one is a doctor and at least one other is a police officer)


But then I do have to accept that I am dealing with the boards most prestigious authority on London, financial markets, football violence, immigration and politics, so I have no doubt that I'll be accused of making stuff up or that I don't even have any friends etc etc etc

Course you do , they must be really close friends as youre not even sure what they all do ''at least one other is a police officer'', standard bullshit reply, funny how your friends cover such a broad spectrum of society, i.e youre lying.

 

[JCL666]

Course you do , they must be really close friends as youre not even sure what they all do ''at least one other is a police officer'', standard bullshit reply funny how your friends cover such a broad spectrum of society, i.e youre lying.

The reason why I haven't listed all of their jobs is because I have a number of friends who are muslim. For it to be acceptable do I have to list all of their jobs?

As well as the one's I've mentioned, a couple are students, a ticket inspector and an osteopath. There's also one who just lives off investments.......

Anyway, why can't my friends cover a broad spectrum of society?

Am I only allowed to mix with white middle class people from Brighton?

As ever, you really are full of it.

 

[symyjym]

The Old Testament promotes mass killings and vast amounts of violence, Islam and Christianity both promote violence in their Holy books, books which were written thousands of years ago. Religion is flawed. But that doesn't mean you should have anything against those who choose to follow their chosen faith.

You are missing the important fact that Jesus and Muhammad gave two different messages. One was about peace and goodwill to all men, the other was about 1/5 of the war booty, conquest, and the first pick of sex slaves.

Muslims believe that Muhammad was a super hero and all battles were self defense. Muhammad killed anyone who resisted or did not believe him. The only blood on Jesus' hands were when he had nails driven through them. We cannot look at Christianity and Islam as equal because the men behind them were polar opposites.

 

[alfredmizen]

The reason why I haven't listed all of their jobs is because I have a number of friends who are muslim. For it to be acceptable do I have to list all of their jobs?

As well as the one's I've mentioned, a couple are students, a ticket inspector and an osteopath. There's also one who just lives off investments.......

Anyway, why can't my friends cover a broad spectrum of society?

Am I only allowed to mix with white middle class people from Brighton?

As ever, you really are full of it.

I didnt ask you to list all their jobs , YOU started listing all their jobs in an attempt to show what wonderful , normal lives your (mythical) muslim friends lead , and then you stated that ''at least one other '' is a police officer , showing that he or she isnt even a close enough friend for you to be sure what their job is in the first place, if indeed they exist at all , which i doubt, especially given the AMOUNT of muslim friends you claim to have , for a white middle class person from the ethnic melting pot that is brighton.

 

[JCL666]

I didnt ask you to list all their jobs , YOU started listing all their jobs in an attempt to show what wonderful , normal lives your (mythical) muslim friends lead , and then you stated that ''at least one other '' is a police officer , showing that he or she isnt even a close enough friend for you to be sure what their job is in the first place, if indeed they exist at all , which i doubt, especially given the AMOUNT of muslim friends you claim to have , for a white middle class person from the ethnic melting pot that is brighton.

Yep they are "normal", because moderate muslims are.... Normal. They don't want people to be beheaded.




But let me clarify the police officer thing. One is in the local police, another is sketchy about what he does exactly but it's too do with law enforcement in France.

But yeah as ever with your expertise on everything I'm wrong.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Yet millions of Muslims live a perfectly normal and well rounded life.

Why do the left defend Islam so readily? They never defend Catholicism, Scientology, Gun owners etc

What's the difference?

 

[Withdean11]

another is sketchy about what he does exactly but it's too do with law enforcement in France.

A muslim in france who is sketchy about what he does but it's to do with (Shaia?) law enforcement? I'd be concerned!

 

[alfredmizen]

A muslim in france who is sketchy about what he does but it's to do with (Shaia?) law enforcement? I'd be concerned!

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I didnt ask you to list all their jobs , YOU started listing all their jobs in an attempt to show what wonderful , normal lives your (mythical) muslim friends lead , and then you stated that ''at least one other '' is a police officer , showing that he or she isnt even a close enough friend for you to be sure what their job is in the first place, if indeed they exist at all , which i doubt, especially given the AMOUNT of muslim friends you claim to have , for a white middle class person from the ethnic melting pot that is brighton.

Ok. Pick holes in this one.

In my upcoming wedding, one of our bridesmaids is a muslim girl who studied in Brighton and was on the same uni course as my partner.

They both went on to be Reception teachers. She is a fantastic teacher and a brilliant friend.

We went to her wedding last year and couldn't have been made to feel more included in the whole day and the tradition of a Muslim wedding which was BONKERS.

If I've made her up then I seriously need to sort out my table plan quickly.

I'm assuming this is all an "act" on your part and I've fallen for the "joke". If not, then I'm really quite concerned that such a mindset exists and is willing to be spouted.

 

[carlzeiss]

Why do the left defend Islam so readily? They never defend Catholicism, Scientology, Gun owners etc

What's the difference?

I haven't the foggiest myself however this article makes an attempt

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261674/why-left-cant-understand-islam-daniel-greenfield

 

[soistes]

OK. I enter this thread with some trepidation -

I know loads of Christians of varying degrees of observance and from different denominations, several Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Muslims and a few people who adhere to astrology, homeopathy and other belief systems for which there's no scientific evidence. Between them, they do a variety of jobs and most of them as individuals are decent enough folk as far as I can tell. However, as an atheist myself, and a strong adherent to the rationalist, scientific tradition, the more seriously these people claim to take their religions or belief systems, and the more literally they are inclined to interpret the 'sacred' texts of these religions as a prescription for living, the less inclined I am to take them and their judgements seriously in general. This does not mean that I don't respect them and their rights as people (including their right to believe daft stuff), it just means I don't respect their belief systems, and the fact that they believe these things makes me less likely to trust their judgements in other matters. This is true, for example, in a professional context: I work in research, in an environment where decisions are taken on the basis of evidence and empirical testing - if someone is an astrologer, or a devout Muslim, or whatever, that's a signal to me that they are prone to believing made-up stuff on the basis of no evidence, or because their family/culture or whatever encourages them to, and therefore I just don't think they are the sort of person who can be relied on to weigh up evidence and make rational decisions, and this affects how I think of them in a professional context.

When it comes to Islam in particular (and to some of the other theistic religions, actually - less so, perhaps, Buddhism and Hinduism, although I confess I know less about them), the additional fact that it also seems to have attached to it an ethical/moral system which justifies stuff like oppressive sexism, homophobia and violent punishment for non-believers, further reduces any respect that I can have for it as a philosophy, and yes, I confess that makes me more wary of some people who sign up to that philosophy than I would otherwise be. I suppose I am 'Islamophobic' in the strict literal sense of 'phobia' in that I am slightly scared of Islam because of its apparently irrational nature and what appear to me to be rather repellent and frightening aspects of its belief system. The apparent correlation between Islam and some forms of violence and terrorism in recent years increases this feeling on my part - it's a rational (in my view) response to the correlation, while acknowledging that like all correlations it doesn't necessarily imply causation (it might not be Islam that has led these people to behave like this; it could be coincidence, or they could simply be deranged people who happen to be Muslim, or who have chosen Islam because they are deranged; or it could be a response to Muslims themselves or Muslim countries having been badly treated in the past), and while also acknowledging that the vast majority of Muslims don't behave like this, the more it happens and the stronger the correlation seems to be, the more rational it is to be wary of certain forms of dogmatic Islam(ism), at least until there's some other explanation.

I regard myself as left-wing in most respects, but contrary to some of the arguments on this thread, being left-wing does not in any way lead me to defend Islam (or Christianity, or astrology etc etc). If anything the opposite.

 

[alfredmizen]

Ok. Pick holes in this one.

In my upcoming wedding, one of our bridesmaids is a muslim girl who studied in Brighton and was on the same uni course as my partner.

They both went on to be Reception teachers. She is a fantastic teacher and a brilliant friend.

We went to her wedding last year and couldn't have been made to feel more included in the whole day and the tradition of a Muslim wedding which was BONKERS.

If I've made her up then I seriously need to sort out my table plan quickly.

I'm assuming this is all an "act" on your part and I've fallen for the "joke". If not, then I'm really quite concerned that such a mindset exists and is willing to be spouted.

and this girl prays 5 times a day, wears a hijab, abstains from alcohol, pork etc does she ?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

and this girl prays 5 times a day, wears a hijab, abstains from alcohol, pork etc does she ?

Prays, abstains from alcohol, doesn't eat pork.

She's never tried to bomb me once.

I know, crazy.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

and this girl prays 5 times a day, wears a hijab, abstains from alcohol, pork etc does she ?

Oh, and her wedding was an arranged marriage.

This must be killing you.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

OK. I enter this thread with some trepidation -

I know loads of Christians of varying degrees of observance and from different denominations, several Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Muslims and a few people who adhere to astrology, homeopathy and other belief systems for which there's no scientific evidence. Between them, they do a variety of jobs and most of them as individuals are decent enough folk as far as I can tell. However, as an atheist myself, and a strong adherent to the rationalist, scientific tradition, the more seriously these people claim to take their religions or belief systems, and the more literally they are inclined to interpret the 'sacred' texts of these religions as a prescription for living, the less inclined I am to take them and their judgements seriously in general. This does not mean that I don't respect them and their rights as people (including their right to believe daft stuff), it just means I don't respect their belief systems, and the fact that they believe these things makes me less likely to trust their judgements in other matters. This is true, for example, in a professional context: I work in research, in an environment where decisions are taken on the basis of evidence and empirical testing - if someone is an astrologer, or a devout Muslim, or whatever, that's a signal to me that they are prone to believing made-up stuff on the basis of no evidence, or because their family/culture or whatever encourages them to, and therefore I just don't think they are the sort of person who can be relied on to weigh up evidence and make rational decisions, and this affects how I think of them in a professional context.

When it comes to Islam in particular (and to some of the other theistic religions, actually - less so, perhaps, Buddhism and Hinduism, although I confess I know less about them), the additional fact that it also seems to have attached to it an ethical/moral system which justifies stuff like oppressive sexism, homophobia and violent punishment for non-believers, further reduces any respect that I can have for it as a philosophy, and yes, I confess that makes me more wary of some people who sign up to that philosophy than I would otherwise be. I suppose I am 'Islamophobic' in the strict literal sense of 'phobia' in that I am slightly scared of Islam because of its apparently irrational nature and what appear to me to be rather repellent and frightening aspects of its belief system. The apparent correlation between Islam and some forms of violence and terrorism in recent years increases this feeling on my part - it's a rational (in my view) response to the correlation, while acknowledging that like all correlations it doesn't necessarily imply causation (it might not be Islam that has led these people to behave like this; it could be coincidence, or they could simply be deranged people who happen to be Muslim, or who have chosen Islam because they are deranged; or it could be a response to Muslims themselves or Muslim countries having been badly treated in the past), and while also acknowledging that the vast majority of Muslims don't behave like this, the more it happens and the stronger the correlation seems to be, the more rational it is to be wary of certain forms of dogmatic Islam(ism), at least until there's some other explanation.

I regard myself as left-wing in most respects, but contrary to some of the arguments on this thread, being left-wing does not in any way lead me to defend Islam (or Christianity, or astrology etc etc). If anything the opposite.

Very sensible post and pretty similar to my views. I feel no ill will to anyone but I too have little respect for blind faith in made up stuff, particularly when the baggage incudes oppression of women and homosexuals. I too am Islamaphobic as I dislike Islam (but I do not dislike Muslims). I am also Christianophobic, Hinduphobic etc etc. Again, I bear no ill will to any person, only to the cultures/religions that oppress them. My politics are also generally left wing and it is this that is the framework for a dislike of religion. When did left wing politics replace caring for sexual equality with caring for oppressive conservative thousand year old misogynist religion ? Its a mad world.

 

[looney]

Well my politics is the nihilistic end of the Trolliverse so I'll give you my honest opinon.

The political order is breaking down and will realign, Trump will be President and Hillary will be in Jail (I hope).

What will happen n politics will be those who have a survival instinct on one side, and the opposite side those who have a death wish, with a big mushy majority in the middle not given over to either. The survivalists contain a mix of Paranoids, bigots or extreme patriots etc, they are the proverbial canaries in the mine shaft.

What will happen as things deteriorate is the Middle and a fair bit of those with a death wish will develop a survival instinct. Those who retain a death wish, well you'll probably have to kill them. Not nice I know but that is what happens when civilisations collapse or got to war.

Not very good odds really, to be killed by invaders or hung by Patriots, but thatis why its called a death wish

Now unlike the British Empire, which colonised sparsely populated lands with few nomadic tribes if at all the UK is high density with humans, theres no room to shovel people of on reservations or intern etc.It will be up close and personal and very bloody.

We will win, simply for the reason we have knowhere else to run to so backed into a corner like a deranged animal we will fight!

Now maybe you all be thinking I am some kind of bigot? Heh you wait till some of these SJWs wake up and snap back then you'll see some crazed bigotry.


I may be wrong, I hope I am, but I'm not seeing anything to change my mind.