[News] Syria/Russia/UN/Trump/Chemical Attack (think that’s it all covered)....

[SeagullinExile]

I've challenged you on this statement before but you decided to ignore the challenge. The White Helmets are nothing more than first responders .... helping people after the bombings.

I have no need to respond to your 'challenge' lol. Just do a little research instead of blindly believing what you are told in the media.

Al Nusra/White Helmets are one and the same - They even shared an HQ in Aleppo ffs. (Which happened to be a school ironically enough - Nice bunch!) There are several independent journalists who spend a lot of time researching from the front lines. Vanessa Beeley's work is worth a look.

And I'm still waiting for the evidence conclusively proving Syria has been behind any chemical attack since the UN oversaw the destruction of their stockpile.

Do you have any?

 

[pastafarian]

May needs pariamentary approval to join US reprisal strikes on Syria for killing men, women and children although she may follow the precedent of the last few years of just killing men, women and children in Syria without parliamentary approval.

No she doesn’t.
Military action is a prerogative power by the PM on behalf of the crown,Parliament has no legally established role in this process, even if parliament debated and voted against military action the government is under no legal obligation to abide by a parliamentary vote. Cameron did abide by a vote in 2013 against humanitarian and military action to deter further chemical attacks, but he was not legally obliged to do so.
Parliament approved our involvement with air strikes against ISIL in Syria in 2015, you seem to be implying this has led to us killing women and children in Syria (without parliamentary approval, but why would parliament approve killing women and children?). Do you have the figures of just how many the RAF have killed?

 

[knocky1]

No she doesn’t.
Military action is a prerogative power by the PM on behalf of the crown,Parliament has no legally established role in this process, even if parliament debated and voted against military action the government is under no legal obligation to abide by a parliamentary vote. Cameron did abide by a vote in 2013 against humanitarian and military action to deter further chemical attacks, but he was not legally obliged to do so.
Parliament approved our involvement with air strikes against ISIL in Syria in 2015, you seem to be implying this has led to us killing women and children in Syria (without parliamentary approval, but why would parliament approve killing women and children?). Do you have the figures of just how many the RAF have killed?

I stand corrected. Theresa May would be solely responsible for the consequences without turning to Parliament first.

482 attacks in Syria, 3,000 in Iraq, 3,000 terrorists reported dead by the RAF and not ONE civilian death reported by the RAF................................

 

[raymondo]

The key end product for Russia is their ability to retain strategic ports on the Med [in Syria] for their navy.

 

[sir albion]

No she doesn’t.
Military action is a prerogative power by the PM on behalf of the crown,Parliament has no legally established role in this process, even if parliament debated and voted against military action the government is under no legal obligation to abide by a parliamentary vote. Cameron did abide by a vote in 2013 against humanitarian and military action to deter further chemical attacks, but he was not legally obliged to do so.
Parliament approved our involvement with air strikes against ISIL in Syria in 2015, you seem to be implying this has led to us killing women and children in Syria (without parliamentary approval, but why would parliament approve killing women and children?). Do you have the figures of just how many the RAF have killed?

To be fair when other countries strike its woman and children but when we or the states strike you don't get any of this.Just seems like propaganda rubbish and that old chestnut "woman and children" is used to stoke up the fire.

 

[pastafarian]

I stand corrected. Theresa May would be solely responsible for the consequences without turning to Parliament first.

482 attacks in Syria, 3,000 in Iraq, 3,000 terrorists reported dead by the RAF and not ONE civilian death reported by the RAF................................

Best Air Force in the world chap.
Dont forget the thousands of sorties that dont result in an air strike and get called off because there is intelligence or concern an RAF strike might hit civilians and not the intended IS terrorists

 

[The Birdman]

Send in the troops

 

[Hyperion]

The only way to calm this situation down is for Assad, Trump and Putin to sit down with a few joints and a few packs of chocolate HobNobs. Times are desperate. Joking aside, I really can’t see this ending well at all. It’s looking grim

 

[Titanic]

@realDonaldTrump
"Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!"

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#crikey

 

[DumLum]

@realDonaldTrump
"Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!"

[tweet]984022625440747520[/tweet]

#crikey

FFS

I was wanting that to be a wind up.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Well this is going well.

 

[symyjym]

There will be no more Americans travelling to the Space Station for a while then, and luckily we aren't so gas dependent during the summer months.

 

[jasetheace]

FFS

I was wanting that to be a wind up.

Time to go to the mattresses. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood.

The infinite wisdom of The Godfather.

Or rather not actually.

I fear we might be using the words "Well that escalated quickly" in a few days and the consequences of that make the mind boggle.

 

[studio150]

Worrying times, that could escalate into a wider conflict theatre

 

[Albion Dan]

This whole chemcial weapons story is the biggest pile of media manipulation I've ever seen. WHy on earth would Assad use them in a war he was about to win knowing it would give an excuse to bring in the Western war machine;. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Trump handily letting Putin know that it might be a good idea to move a few planes out of the way.

 

[DumLum]

This whole chemcial weapons story is the biggest pile of media manipulation I've ever seen. WHy on earth would Assad use them in a war he was about to win knowing it would give an excuse to bring in the Western war machine;. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

I thought it was strange but why did the Russians veto independent check at the UN.

 

[DumLum]

Trump handily letting Putin know that it might be a good idea to move a few planes out of the way.

That is the norm but he shouldn't be doing that on Twitter.

 

[scamander]

First thing Russia does is locate troops or personnel at key Syrian points. When the US bombed the runway this time last year they had to clear it with the Russians first to ensure none were present. Syria then redeployed its forces to another airstrip.

Both sides have been argued to have used chemical weapons, both sides have committed atrocities and war crimes. The 'rebels' haven't really been discussed much, perhaps the idea that anyone opposing Assad must be ok is what is being aimed at. In Ghouta, where the chemical attack occurred you have:

Jaysh al-Islam (wants to replace Syria with a sharia law state, possibly funded by Saudi Arabia)
Faylaq al-Rahmna (moderate by the standards we are dealing with)
Hay'at Tahir al-Sham (Syrian version of Al Qaeda)
Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki movmement (catchy name but given they beheaded a 15 year old which was distributed online probably not the best bunch)
Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiyya (guess what, they also want an ultra religious sharia state also, rivals with Hay'at so that'll work then)

I'd never advocate for the use of chemical weapons against any person or group. The wider point here is that destabilising yet another regime in the middle East with no viable alternative is madness. The idea that we are going after the 'bad guy' is near parody, the Saudi regime is committing similar crimes in Yemen, will May demand a strike there as well?

Nope, we invite them round for tea.

So, if we are going in there at least have the decency to be honest. We'd be doing it for reasons separate to the apparent trigger which involves Russia and pipeline access.

 

[Surrey Seagull]

That is the norm but he shouldn't be doing that on Twitter.

True, but that seems to be his standard platform.