Syria any one else not buying this BS

[daveinprague]

Wonder who supplied their WMD's...I doubt if it all comes from Russia and China....

 

[martyn20]

Wonder who supplied their WMD's...I doubt if it all comes from Russia and China....

Your not a 'Breitbart' supporter are you? Just checking

 

[martyn20]

Unfortunate that Western nations, including the UK, are supporting the wrong side really, isn't it - especially as we spent so much time, money, resources and lives fighting it.

We saw in Libya and Egypt the majority of the population did want to change leaders, do you think the majority of Syrian people still support Assad and his government?

 

[daveinprague]

Your not a 'Breitbart' supporter are you? Just checking

If that means, I dont trust America any further than I can throw it...probably but tbh ive no idea what Breitbart is... anything to do with thge Simpsons?

Anyway, its home time for me....cheers.

 

[dingodan]

What ever happened to people being responsible for their own countries?

When did the U.S. and the U.K. become the highest moral authority on the planet, and the policemen of the world.

Welcome to the future. Hope you liked your PRESENT. We are all f***ed.

Thank you, and good night.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Syria is in turmoil.
Iran and Israel are at each other's toes.
Ecuador are militantly defending Assange.

Brighton are playing Cardiff.

The latter has my attention

latter is a comparative. You list four issues so it should be "The last has my attention.

I wouldn't normally comment on people's grammar and spelling, (I just hope I'm right!). But just wanted to divert the thread off to something worthwhile.

 

[martyn20]

What ever happened to people being responsible for their own countries?

When did the U.S. and the U.K. become the highest moral authority on the planet, and the policemen of the world.

Welcome to the future. Hope you liked your PRESENT. We are all f***ed.

Thank you, and good night.

Can I just add that the US, France, Italy and UK intervened in Libya because the Arab League asked them to, all of Libya's neighbours asked for our help to stop the slaughter.

 

[dingodan]

Can I just add that the US, France, Italy and UK intervened in Libya because the Arab League asked them to, all of Libya's neighbours asked for our help to stop the slaughter.

Oh, that's OK then.

GO TEAM!

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

What ever happened to people being responsible for their own countries?

When did the U.S. and the U.K. become the highest moral authority on the planet, and the policemen of the world.

Welcome to the future. Hope you liked your PRESENT. We are all f***ed.

Thank you, and good night.

That's kind of ignoring history. Ww2 happened because USA went back to be isolationist after ww1 and there a very strong arguments to be said that we would be living under soviet rule had America gone back to being isolationist after ww2.

I for one am proud of the role we play in international affairs.if there had been this much outrage and attention given to the Rwandan genocide in the 90's we might have saved a huge amount of lives.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

That's kind of ignoring history. Ww2 happened because USA went back to be isolationist after ww1

That's kind of making a sweeping statement about history!

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

latter is a comparative. You list four issues so it should be "The last has my attention.

I wouldn't normally comment on people's grammar and spelling, (I just hope I'm right!). But just wanted to divert the thread off to something worthwhile.

hairy muff.

 

[Stoo82]

What ever happened to people being responsible for their own countries?

When did the U.S. and the U.K. become the highest moral authority on the planet, and the policemen of the world.

Welcome to the future. Hope you liked your PRESENT. We are all f***ed.

Thank you, and good night.

When?

About 300 years ago.

 

[dingodan]

When?

About 300 years ago.

Yeah, sorry. I was thinking of the OLD World Order.

My bad.

 

[dingodan]

That's kind of ignoring history. Ww2 happened because USA went back to be isolationist after ww1 and there a very strong arguments to be said that we would be living under soviet rule had America gone back to being isolationist after ww2.

I for one am proud of the role we play in international affairs.if there had been this much outrage and attention given to the Rwandan genocide in the 90's we might have saved a huge amount of lives.

 

[dingodan]

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Bacevich, Andrew J. The New American Militarism: How Americans Are Seduced by War. New York: Oxford University Press, 2006

Bovard, James. Terrorism and Tyranny: Trampling Freedom, Justice, and Peace to Rid the World of Evil. New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2004.

Engdahl, F. William. A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order. London: Pluto Press, 2004

Gibbon, Edward. The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. New York: Modern Library, 2003 [1776-88].

Hayek, Fredrich A. The Road to Serfdom. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1944.

Johnson, Chalmers. Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, 2nd ed. New York: Henry Holt, 2004.

Kwitney, Jonathan. Endless Enemies: America's Worldwide War Against Its Own Best Interests. New York: Congdon & Weed, 1984.

MacKay, Charles. Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. London: George Routledge & Sons, 1869 [1841].

Mises, Ludwig von. Human Action: A Treatise on Economics. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1949.

Pape, Robert. Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism. New York : Random House, 2006.

Roberts, Paul Craig, and Lawrence M. Stratton. The Tyranny of Good Intention: How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Rosville, Calif.: Prima 2000.

Soloman, Norman. War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death. New York: Wiley, 2006.

 

[fork me]

.Do you know that fundamental muslims are not orchestrating this violence?

I do, yes. The Free Syrian Army are pro-democracy. Unfortunately Jihadist fighters have since joined the battle and this is causing problems. The FSA themselves have identified it, something they wouldn;t do if they were Islamist themselves.

 

[fork me]

You know that's not what's been happening, rebels attack a convoy with small arms as it travels through a town and the next moment the town is attacked by helicopter and heavy artillery, there is no thought for civilians living in the town. You think that's totally the rebels fault and not Assads?

Also, it seems to be forgotten by many that Assad's forces started firing on civilians and shelling towns BEFORE the rebels started being violent.

 

[BadFish]

Oh I fear what will follow, as I do what will follow in Libya but sometimes that risk has to be taken to do what's right. For the West keeping Mubarak is place would have been far better but that's not what the majority of Egyptian wanted.

This is what i disagree with. Why does the West have to make a choice whether to keep someone in place or install a new government. Maybe we should just mind our own business and let them sort it out. It is terrible that people are dying but our involvement in the region over the last, how ever many years, hasn't really stopped that has it? The interference of the West just makes us hugely unpopular and gives fuel to the extremists across the region. We should just get the hell out of dodge and leave them to sort it out.

Although I do conceded that with Israel and it's links to the US involved this would be nigh on impossible to achieve.

 

[BadFish]

Gaddafi was absolutely worshipped in Libya. The vast majority certainly did not want change. The Al Quaeda and Islamic extremist rebels used similar tactics as they are using in Syria today. Almost the entire population of Tripoli turned out in number at Green Square during the uprisings to show their overwhelming support for Gaddafi, largely ignored by the Western media. Before the uprising, he was often seen parading in an open top jeep with little to no security- this is a country where guns are common place - he had no fear of his own people because they adored him. However the US wanted him gone for a variety of reasons - mainly oriented around trading, but also for his ideas of leading Africa into prosperity which involved certain economic changes that would not favour America or the West. So gone he was.

Assad wasn't too popular with the general population before the uprisings, but the irony is that he is probably more popular than ever because of the realisation that the alternative is so much bleaker - the people will have witnessed their families and friends being beheaded for their political and religious beliefs, entire families in their neighbourhoods being massacred solely for propaganda purposes, their homes bombed because the rebels use civilian houses as bases and so on. Assad may not have been the perfect leader, but I am pretty positive that few Syrians want to live in an al-quaeda lead state.

I am not disputing your point here but do you have any further information/reading etc on this I would genuinely be interested to read it.

 

[martyn20]

This is what i disagree with. Why does the West have to make a choice whether to keep someone in place or install a new government. Maybe we should just mind our own business and let them sort it out. It is terrible that people are dying but our involvement in the region over the last, how ever many years, hasn't really stopped that has it? The interference of the West just makes us hugely unpopular and gives fuel to the extremists across the region. We should just get the hell out of dodge and leave them to sort it out.

Although I do conceded that with Israel and it's links to the US involved this would be nigh on impossible to achieve.

We did not intervene in Egypt though, that's my point. The Egyptian people wanted a change and even though it was bad and dangerous for us the West did not get involved.
The poster I was talking to was saying Assad has to stay because of who might take over from him and gain control the the country and all the weapons, my point was it's the Syrian people who should decide, if the majority want a change Assad should stand down, the fact we might not like the new government does not matter because as you say, it's not our business.
We did go into Libya because it's people were asking for help, first they asked their neighbours and when they could not do te job they asked the West to help.