[Football] Sweet Caroline - why?

[Thunder Bolt]

Satire, innit. Blake was mocking those given to post-Napoleonic, patriotic bluster.

But you're right, it's a cricket song.

I think Sweet Caroline lacks originality, but people enjoy it, and it sort of confirms that I am a tedious old fart.

Correct. Blake was anti fake patriotism.

The footballers themselves starting singing it, in the dressing room, after wins.
Steve Sidwell brought it to Brighton, saying they used to sing it at Reading (cue some NSCers moaning tinpot) but it got more & more popular during our promotion season. PA announcers play any old guff before matches trying to get up the atmosphere, so it became part of the tradition.
ITV interviewed Neil Diamond in Colorado yesterday evening who said he was pleased & watching the match, cheering us on. The royalties must be good business for him.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I thought it was a call to arms to build Christianity in England?

How? It states a false tale about Jesus visiting England. It’s a parody.

Sir Hubert Parry wrote the lovely music.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Why has this become an England Anthem?

Personally I hope we follow Cricket's example and walk out on to the field to...

Wouldn't it be great to have a full house belting this out, probably would give us a 2 goal lead.

It's political correctness gone mad, isn't it?

 

[Gazwag]

I think the Wembley grass should be mowed in the shape of a lion.

Be easier to mow it in three lines

 

[BadFish]

Be easier to mow it in three lines

Genius Sir

 

[jakarta]

I'm sorry I made such a mistake, how about us singing this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufSGd58gjAM

 

[BadFish]

How? It states a false tale about Jesus visiting England. It’s a parody.

Sir Hubert Parry wrote the lovely music.

I believe, no expert at all, that it was a fairly widely considered possibility that Jesus visited different places (far fetched i suppose, but coming from the religion that expected us to believe that a bloke born in the middle east was white with blond hair, it never seemed that crazy). I believe it was also mentioned in the bible that another Jeruselum should/could be created. So the song was a call to arms to create that (symbolic rather than physical) new religious centre in Britain.

I have no idea where I got these ideas from but thought this was the case. Some research is in order I fear.

Peter Kirk (whoever the hell that is, sort of agrees with me http://gentlewisdom.org/william-blakes-jerusalem-a-christian-hymn/

 

[Icy Gull]

Something else to moan about. Jesus Christ, honestly.

As a serial moaner I am 100% behind you. I gather Albion players love singing it after a big win too. It’s rousing, fun and enjoyable to watch, join in, listen to. This is taking moaning a step too far

 

[Gazwag]

Genius Sir

I cant take much credit as I read the US Soccer Guy report this morning and saw they had this T shirt for sale

https://usasoccerguystore.com/product/three-lines-on-a-t-shirt/


The report of the game for those that may not have seen it

"England Soccer Club emulize the guys in the summer of '69 by making it right the way through to the final of a world championship. They needed hyper-overtime to go get the 3 points against Denmark Soccer Club, who were the winningest franchise in the tie for a few minutes after inserting a real sweet felony kick. But after Kasper the friendly Goaltender had made a hand denial with his body to deny Raheem British Dollar, the Three Lines came again and knotted it up at ones after Buckaroo Soccer's cross pass forced a deefense guy into a negative equity goalshot. The second quarter went by without any insertions, which kinda sucked. In hyper-overtime, the British guys dominized and eventually made it pay when British Dollar, who some thought did the voluntary simulation plunge in the danger box zone, won the deathstrike. The HurriKane's kick strike was denied by Kasper the friendly Goaltender, but the the ball fell to the cleats of the Soccer Chicken inserter, who finished it off his second chance chance. The jewels remain real shiny, and the Lines will hope to go save that queen when they play soccer again on on the weekend. "

 

[WATFORD zero]

Correct. Blake was anti fake patriotism.

Apparently Dickens had a thing about highlighting that too

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

Something by Joy Division would probably be more in keeping with our fan mentality.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

I'm sorry I made such a mistake, how about us singing this one?

You'd be better off doing this...

 

[Icy Gull]

Apparently Dickens had a thing about highlighting that too

Pray that this doesn’t get an outing late Sunday evening

“it was the best of times, it was the worst of times”

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Something by Joy Division would probably be more in keeping with our fan mentality.

Even some of those have some twangs of optimism that might overwhelm some posters this morning!

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Creepy song written about a 12 year old girl.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

I believe, no expert at all, that it was a fairly widely considered possibility that Jesus visited different places (far fetched i suppose, but coming from the religion that expected us to believe that a bloke born in the middle east was white with blond hair, it never seemed that crazy). I believe it was also mentioned in the bible that another Jeruselum should/could be created. So the song was a call to arms to create that (symbolic rather than physical) new religious centre in Britain.

I have no idea where I got these ideas from but thought this was the case. Some research is in order I fear.

Peter Kirk (whoever the hell that is, sort of agrees with me http://gentlewisdom.org/william-blakes-jerusalem-a-christian-hymn/

I think you can take it as a call to build whatever you want. The labour government under Attlee talked about building a new Jerusalem in Britain after the war.

We can't have anybody at an England game singing a song heralding the oncoming scourge of SOCIALISM

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I believe, no expert at all, that it was a fairly widely considered possibility that Jesus visited different places (far fetched i suppose, but coming from the religion that expected us to believe that a bloke born in the middle east was white with blond hair, it never seemed that crazy). I believe it was also mentioned in the bible that another Jeruselum should/could be created. So the song was a call to arms to create that (symbolic rather than physical) new religious centre in Britain.

I have no idea where I got these ideas from but thought this was the case. Some research is in order I fear.

Peter Kirk (whoever the hell that is, sort of agrees with me http://gentlewisdom.org/william-blakes-jerusalem-a-christian-hymn/

The idea that Jesus was white etc comes from Renaissance paintings. Nowhere else, in Roman, Jewish or biblical history does it mention it. It was also part of the church in Rome, suppressing people by discarding science, knowledge from the Arabic world, and trying to maintain their great wealth & power.
That’s one of the reasons the Reformation came about.

Yes, in Revelation it says there will be a new heaven and a new earth, with a New Jerusalem, but that is supposed to be after the end of times.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Correct. Blake was anti fake patriotism.

The footballers themselves starting singing it, in the dressing room, after wins.
Steve Sidwell brought it to Brighton, saying they used to sing it at Reading (cue some NSCers moaning tinpot) but it got more & more popular during our promotion season. PA announcers play any old guff before matches trying to get up the atmosphere, so it became part of the tradition.
ITV interviewed Neil Diamond in Colorado yesterday evening who said he was pleased & watching the match, cheering us on. The royalties must be good business for him.

They did sing it at Reading and one of the reasons I hated it for so long was their repeated playing of it at a very miserable midweek defeat for the Albion. This was compounded by listening to Radio Berkshire playing it incessantly after the game as we drove home from the game. Aaaarrgggghhhh!!!!

Still it is a fun song, it brings joy to so many people and I have now been able to reconcile myself to it and join in lustily in those moments of sporting celebration.

To any dissenters, just let it go....enjoy yourself and give Neil D the respect he deserves for coming up with a cracking tune

 

[Greg Bobkin]

These days, if you question why certain songs are played at England football matches you get arrested and thrown in jail.

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

Even some of those have some twangs of optimism that might overwhelm some posters this morning!