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BN41Albion

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Oct 1, 2017
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Swansman said:
Well, the Social Democratic Party didn't rule for 105 years so that's incorrect, there's been a few right-wing for short periods since the 70s.

The development is expected and planned. I understood it back when the Sweden Democrats only had a percent or two but the media kept talking about them despite normally ignoring small parties outside the parliament (you need to get at least 4% to be in the parliament), essentially telling all the right-wing nuts to go vote for them.

Over and over the media wrote about how hideous the Sweden Democrats were and that Sweden is like it always has... well aware that things have changed. One media company got all the power here, and they've played it all in the Sweden Democrats hands: media told us one "truth", which everyone know is a lie, and pretty much forced people to "go against" the establishment because of its rubbishness.

All a trap of course. Sweden got the strongest workers rights in the world, one of the strongest welfare systems and generally has been a well-organized and rich country. Our oligarchs, the Wallenbergs, don't want this. But if the Social Democrats would start to demolish those things (more than they already have) it would look strange and people go to the political left. By creating chaos and introducing the Sweden Democrats as "the solution" there is more room to remove our rights and our traditional fairness without anyone even blinking - as long as the immigrants goes, any price is worth paying.

Immigration has been the only political question in Sweden for about 15 years. When things go to shit, people don't know why - all they've ever heard about is "more immigrants, less immigrants or no immigrants". The only solution people can think of is to get rid of the immigrants.

Of course, I know the immigrants are not the problem. Yes, there's a lot of gang violence - where no Swedes live, and it is entirely possible to make the argument that there's been too much immigration. When the population grows with 10% over 10ish years and all of the increase is due to immigration, problems arise. But the main issue in this country is a) privatisation over the last twenty years which has really made the economical life here more difficult and b) the rise of the digital society in one of the most introverted countries in the world.

The latter problem is completely overlooked. People don't have sex here, they dont party, they barely have friends, we have the highest percentage of single-person households in the world because we've finally got access to technique that allows us to function and be entertained without actually meeting people other than at work or school. This is what makes us deeply unhappy and worried, but it is too complex for the average person to understand this; they want easy solutions, preferably ones where we don't have to improve ourselves. This in combination with the eternal talking about whether immigration is the best or the worst thing in the world has led many to believe that they would be a lot happier if there was less immigrants around. They're wrong, but it's not easy to get them to understand it.

Only thirty years ago, members of the Sweden Democrats were not afraid to call themselves nazis. And now they're the biggest party in a right-wing coalition led by the Moderates and their leader Ulf Kristiansson, who has said that he is willing to collaborate with Jimmie Åkesson (Sweden Democrats leader) in all questions. Horrible times.
The Swedish people don't understand what they've done.
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Very interesting points about Swedish society and issues.

Also interesting you mention 'People don't have sex here, they dont party, they barely have friends, we have the highest percentage of single-person households in the world because we've finally got access to technique that allows us to function and be entertained without actually meeting people other than at work or school. This is what makes us deeply unhappy and worried, but it is too complex for the average person to understand this' ... we're always fed the narrative that Scandinavians (particularly Danish) are the happiest most liberal people in the world
 




Swansman

Swansman

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May 13, 2019
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BN41Albion said:
Very interesting points about Swedish society and issues.

Also interesting you mention 'People don't have sex here, they dont party, they barely have friends, we have the highest percentage of single-person households in the world because we've finally got access to technique that allows us to function and be entertained without actually meeting people other than at work or school. This is what makes us deeply unhappy and worried, but it is too complex for the average person to understand this' ... we're always fed the narrative that Scandinavians (particularly Danish) are the happiest most liberal people in the world
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Well, we're liberal in a lot of senses and certainly more so in the past before people got the sense that something (that most don't understand what it is) got lost.

Danish culture is very different from the culture in Sweden, Norway and Finland. They've always lived in a small space, much closer to each other in every sense, and have much more culturally in common with Germany and the Netherlands than with other nordic countries.
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Populism is still very much alive and well, it hasn't run its course yet
 














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raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
7,363
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Swansman said:
Well, the Social Democratic Party didn't rule for 105 years so that's incorrect, there's been a few right-wing for short periods since the 70s.

The development is expected and planned. I understood it back when the Sweden Democrats only had a percent or two but the media kept talking about them despite normally ignoring small parties outside the parliament (you need to get at least 4% to be in the parliament), essentially telling all the right-wing nuts to go vote for them.

Over and over the media wrote about how hideous the Sweden Democrats were and that Sweden is like it always has... well aware that things have changed. One media company got all the power here, and they've played it all in the Sweden Democrats hands: media told us one "truth", which everyone know is a lie, and pretty much forced people to "go against" the establishment because of its rubbishness.

All a trap of course. Sweden got the strongest workers rights in the world, one of the strongest welfare systems and generally has been a well-organized and rich country. Our oligarchs, the Wallenbergs, don't want this. But if the Social Democrats would start to demolish those things (more than they already have) it would look strange and people go to the political left. By creating chaos and introducing the Sweden Democrats as "the solution" there is more room to remove our rights and our traditional fairness without anyone even blinking - as long as the immigrants goes, any price is worth paying.

Immigration has been the only political question in Sweden for about 15 years. When things go to shit, people don't know why - all they've ever heard about is "more immigrants, less immigrants or no immigrants". The only solution people can think of is to get rid of the immigrants.

Of course, I know the immigrants are not the problem. Yes, there's a lot of gang violence - where no Swedes live, and it is entirely possible to make the argument that there's been too much immigration. When the population grows with 10% over 10ish years and all of the increase is due to immigration, problems arise. But the main issue in this country is a) privatisation over the last twenty years which has really made the economical life here more difficult and b) the rise of the digital society in one of the most introverted countries in the world.

The latter problem is completely overlooked. People don't have sex here, they dont party, they barely have friends, we have the highest percentage of single-person households in the world because we've finally got access to technique that allows us to function and be entertained without actually meeting people other than at work or school. This is what makes us deeply unhappy and worried, but it is too complex for the average person to understand this; they want easy solutions, preferably ones where we don't have to improve ourselves. This in combination with the eternal talking about whether immigration is the best or the worst thing in the world has led many to believe that they would be a lot happier if there was less immigrants around. They're wrong, but it's not easy to get them to understand it.

Only thirty years ago, members of the Sweden Democrats were not afraid to call themselves nazis. And now they're the biggest party in a right-wing coalition led by the Moderates and their leader Ulf Kristiansson, who has said that he is willing to collaborate with Jimmie Åkesson (Sweden Democrats leader) in all questions. Horrible times.
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Very interesting, thanks for the post
 








e77

e77

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May 23, 2004
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Worthing
Because we live in the age of sound bites and social media which is what influence the people who only think about politics for five minutes a week.

I don't follow Swedish politics but if Gang Shootings are dominating the news and someone comes along with a simple solution - presumably reducing immigration - you might very well listen to it. The fact that by the sound of it Sweden has an ageing population due to low birth rate and need immigration won't get discussed because very few people in the west are prepares to argue for controlled immigration anymore and have left the field for the right to dominate.
 




Guinness Boy

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Biscuit

Biscuit

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Jul 8, 2003
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carlzeiss said:
Just have to look closer to home to see that when a ( 67 ) gang member is shot by the Police it is a problem but when gang members kill other gang members then silence is the order of the day .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NYVomW3DsY
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I think it's far more worthy of comment when a Police officer shoots a gang member than when one gang member kills another.

One is supposed to uphold the law, the other doesn't suffer from the same presupposition.
 


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Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
17,774
Fiveways
Swansman said:
Well, the Social Democratic Party didn't rule for 105 years so that's incorrect, there's been a few right-wing for short periods since the 70s.

The development is expected and planned. I understood it back when the Sweden Democrats only had a percent or two but the media kept talking about them despite normally ignoring small parties outside the parliament (you need to get at least 4% to be in the parliament), essentially telling all the right-wing nuts to go vote for them.

Over and over the media wrote about how hideous the Sweden Democrats were and that Sweden is like it always has... well aware that things have changed. One media company got all the power here, and they've played it all in the Sweden Democrats hands: media told us one "truth", which everyone know is a lie, and pretty much forced people to "go against" the establishment because of its rubbishness.

All a trap of course.
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Yes, we're very familiar with our media giving undue attention to a small party assisting its rise. It's turned out so well.
 




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