[Cricket] *** Sussex v Lancashire match thread*** No Ollie!

[DJ NOBO]

Better than Imran and Le Roux?

Just before my time.
But given the volume of wickets Robinson takes at county level, and the pace archer generates, surely it’s open to debate.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Better than Imran and Le Roux?

They're before my time as well, but in statistical terns, for Sussex:

Imran Khan: 409 @ 19.97
Garth Le Roux: 393 @ 23.16

Ollie Robinson: 262 @ 20.78
Jofra Archer: 131 @ 23.44

Clearly you can't just compare the numbers directly for all manner of reasons. But it's a lot closer than I, for one, would have guessed.

In terms of an opening partnership, I'd probably prefer a greater contrast in style, somebody a bit skiddy like Kirtley from one end with a taller bowler at the other.

I don't know, without spending longer than I currently have time for looking it up, what the rest of the team looked like in the 80s. But I assume there was a reason we weren't storming the championship every season with those two in the team. Was the batting crap or were the other bowlers nowhere near the same level, or both?

 

[redoubtable seagull]

Just before my time.
But given the volume of wickets Robinson takes at county level, and the pace archer generates, surely it’s open to debate.

No it’s not!

Imran and Le Roux all day long. Spent many an early teen year watching those two.

 

[jakarta]

They're before my time as well, but in statistical terns, for Sussex:

Imran Khan: 409 @ 19.97
Garth Le Roux: 393 @ 23.16

Ollie Robinson: 262 @ 20.78
Jofra Archer: 131 @ 23.44

Clearly you can't just compare the numbers directly for all manner of reasons. But it's a lot closer than I, for one, would have guessed.

In terms of an opening partnership, I'd probably prefer a greater contrast in style, somebody a bit skiddy like Kirtley from one end with a taller bowler at the other.

I don't know, without spending longer than I currently have time for looking it up, what the rest of the team looked like in the 80s. But I assume there was a reason we weren't storming the championship every season with those two in the team. Was the batting crap or were the other bowlers nowhere near the same level, or both?

Kirtley and Lewry's figures?

 

[Mackenzie]

Good to see our young Sussex team blooding the noses of the northern powerhouses (even if we did narrowly lose to Yorkshire in the end). It’s a really nice distraction from the football. I love this time of year.

 

[jakarta]

15 minutes before Lunch and the traditional Sussex Wicket falls...

28-1

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Kirtley and Lewry's figures?

Kirtley: 546 @ 28.01
Lewry: 617 @ 27.12

Not directly relevant to the opening bowler discussion, but in that 2000s team Mushtaq Ahmed took 478 at 25.34, including 102 at 19.9 in the 2006 season.

Going further back, Tate took 2211 for Sussex at 17.4, and in the earlier part of his career opened with Gilligan who took 637 wickets at 21 for Sussex. I believe Gilligan's bowling tailed off in the latter part of his career after taking a heavy blow to the chest while batting.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Was clearly a terrible idea for me to start watching this, 3 down now.

 

[albionfan37]

The collapse is on 37/3

 

[jakarta]

Kirtley: 546 @ 28.01
Lewry: 617 @ 27.12

Not directly relevant to the opening bowler discussion, but in that 2000s team Mushtaq Ahmed took 478 at 25.34, including 102 at 19.9 in the 2006 season.

Going further back, Tate took 2211 for Sussex at 17.4, and in the earlier part of his career opened with Gilligan who took 637 wickets at 21 for Sussex. I believe Gilligan's bowling tailed off in the latter part of his career after taking a heavy blow to the chest while batting.

My memory clearly not what it was, sure I watched them bowling in tandem throughout the late nineties and mid noughties?

In the meantime a classic Sussex Pre-Lunch Collapse well underway...

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

My memory clearly not what it was, sure I watched them bowling in tandem throughout the late nineties and mid noughties?

In the meantime a classic Sussex Pre-Lunch Collapse well underway...

I meant that Mushtaq's figures weren't related - I included them to illustrate the all-round strength of that attack, since it's interesting that Kirtley and Lewry's figures are relatively modest (average wise) compared to some of the opening bowlers we've had before and since who didn't win the championship.

 

[Gwylan]

I'd assume Archer's pretty keen to get going after a frustrating winter with injury. Ideally we'd all like to see them both together, hopefully at Sussex before they both play against New Zealand.

As I mentioned earlier, the plan is for Jofra to play in the Kent game. I can't see Robbo being rested again.

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I don't know, without spending longer than I currently have time for looking it up, what the rest of the team looked like in the 80s. But I assume there was a reason we weren't storming the championship every season with those two in the team. Was the batting crap or were the other bowlers nowhere near the same level, or both?

We were pretty close. We finished second in 81 (and would have won it if not for a dodgy LBW decision at Trent Bridge) and were around the top four for a few years.Yes, we had a formidable opening bowling attack but this was a time when many teams had decent overseas players: Notts (Hadlee and Rice), (Hampshire Greenidge and Roberts (and then Marshall), Somerset (Richards and Garner) and so on. But we weren't quite so strong in batting and lacked a spinner who could really run through teams.

 

[jakarta]

36-4, Harms view: 'Sussex still in a strong position'.

 

[Gwylan]

I see the live stream is down. Is this to stop people viewing the latest embarrassment?

EDIT: Just come back

 

[Titanic]

I see the live stream is down. Is this to stop people viewing the latest embarrassment?

working on Youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVthnaSWxXA

 

[Titanic]

36-4, Harms view: 'Sussex still in a strong position'.

You might as well ask the cat

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

As I mentioned earlier, the plan is for Jofra to play in the Kent game. I can't see Robbo being rested again.



We were pretty close. We finished second in 81 (and would have won it if not for a dodgy LBW decision at Trent Bridge) and were around the top four for a few years.Yes, we had a formidable opening bowling attack but this was a time when many teams had decent overseas players: Notts (Hadlee and Rice), (Hampshire Greenidge and Roberts (and then Marshall), Somerset (Richards and Garner) and so on. But we weren't quite so strong in batting and lacked a spinner who could really run through teams.

I say hopefully, because you never know when a fast bowler will come down injured. Or for that matter, when the capricious hand of the England coaching team will decide a player would benefit more from spending the week at Loughborough rather than actually playing. Will be good to see it though, assuming all goes to plan.

Thanks. Thinking about it it's obvious that we were lacking in batting and spin bowling, since if we'd had players of the standard that the counties who actually won the championship had, I'd be able to remember who they were.

 

[Titanic]

150-5

Brown out

 

[Titanic]

Off for rain.. Sussex 56-5 (19.4 overs)

Leading by 154

 

[The Wizard]

Clawing another defeat from the jaws of victory.