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The speed they're going, they could have knocked off 340 in 60 overs.
They don't need to allow us to sign Gareth Andrew, we've made a 28 day approach as his contract is running out.
Barrel of Fun
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I think there might be a few choice words after this game from a variety of people.
Kalimantan Gull
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Well, yes, you're right about that, point is that there is a contrived result in that game as well though). But clearly a response to what is going on at Worcester.
Having said all that, and moaned about this above, contriving a result is standard fare in county cricket when there has been a major rain interruption, and they'll do it in the first game of the season just as much as the last. So I don't expect any moans from the teams or players.
dcr21
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It's already started on BBC 606...
Disgraceful Sussex cheats: Yorks Supporter
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16 September 2010
This is the time of year when a closer examination shows up the lacking credibility of certain events in County Crick...
40 comments | Last Commented: 16 September 2010 at 15:51
The difference today is that Goodwin probably didn't drive too hard a bargain when they were agreeing the total as it didn't really matter to Sussex. Had we needed a result then the target (if one could even have been agreed) wouldn't have been so generous. If Glamorgan can't even beat Derby then they really don't deserve to go up.
Kalimantan Gull
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Well it was over four an over. Perhaps of greater concern is the effort we've put in bowling. Or maybe it was just great batting
Well it was over four an over. Perhaps of greater concern is the effort we've put in bowling. Or maybe it was just great batting
Probably down to Worcs wanting it a bit more I suspect.
withdeanwombat
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Sorry,I don't understand this cricket stuff.Why did Sussex need to declare at all.They have won the title and hardly lost all season and yet for some reason they have to give some other side a more than sporting chance.Shouldn't they have batted on until the draw was the true result rather than bring into question the integrity of the 5.5 month competition on the last day?
If I supported the other team in contention I'd be more than a little miffed........or was there something darker going on which could have included Asian bookies,The News of the World or whatever.Why even consider bringing the team's name into disrepute?
Would the Albion give away a couple of dubious own goals just to see,say,Southampton relegated ?
If I supported the other team in contention I'd be more than a little miffed........or was there something darker going on which could have included Asian bookies,The News of the World or whatever.Why even consider bringing the team's name into disrepute?
Would the Albion give away a couple of dubious own goals just to see,say,Southampton relegated ?
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- #132
But if they'd batted out a draw, then Worcs would have been miffed. Why do you think Sussex should favour Glamorgan rather than Worcs?
They had to contrive a result, that's what every single county would have done (including Glamorgan, who tried to do the same thing in their game). Like I said earlier, I think the target was a trifle generous but not that generous. Sussex dropped a couple of catches in the afternoon session and Hodd missed a stumping, if they'd taken those it would have been a lot closer. Good finish to the season
withdeanwombat
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Worcester would have been upset for sure,but the game would have run its true course.As I say,I don't understand this cricket stuff.Why did they have to contrive a result ? What's the logic there ? The game would have been a draw,as many other games are.Surely we don't owe Worcester anything ? It undermines the value of the game to get into these sorts of areas, and the dropping of catches and missing of other opportunities leaves a question mark over the whole episode.
Bit of a poor do. Will there be a stewards enquiry ?
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- #134
But it wouldn't have - declarations are part and parcel of the game - and have been since the 19th century. The idea is that both sides start the game hoping to win, I think it's your idea that a side should make no attempt to win a match that is contrary to the notion of cricket - and not letting a game run its true course.
The reason the game is played is because people pay to watch it. Those people would rather see a result rather than watch the players just running down the clock as they played out a draw. It is about entertainment after all and as Gwylan said the game could have gone either way.
mona
The Glory Game
After the Salman Butt/Pakistan affair, Goodwin and Robinson have shown an amazing lack of judgement. There was no need to get involved in a contrived result at a crucial stage of the season. Declaration-inspired results have become far less commonplace since the 4 day game superceded the 3 dayer.
I expect Glamorgan will ask the ECB to fully investigate this rather sad day in Sussex's long history.
I expect Glamorgan will ask the ECB to fully investigate this rather sad day in Sussex's long history.
withdeanwombat
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Yes.I think the key word here is "contrived". I know there is hardly massed support at county cricket,and perhaps the few who do go crave a result.That's why all those beer matches were played at the start of the season.
But for all the talk of declarations being part and parcel of the game,and how other sides also do it, it's a bit off to "contrive " a result in favour of third against second isn't it ?
No wonder cricket is going down the tubes.
My interest in this disgraced summer spectacle diminishes further.Really,with fixed results and contrived results,what IS the point ?
But for all the talk of declarations being part and parcel of the game,and how other sides also do it, it's a bit off to "contrive " a result in favour of third against second isn't it ?
No wonder cricket is going down the tubes.
My interest in this disgraced summer spectacle diminishes further.Really,with fixed results and contrived results,what IS the point ?
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Don't be absurd.
There were also contrived results in two other games in this division - do you really think that Glamorgan will ask the ECB to investigate those games, including the one involving, er, Glamorgan? And to try to draw parallels between something that has been going on since time immemorial and some dodgy deals involving bookies is totally ludicrous.
What you and WithdeanWombat both ignore is that it was Worcs who started the process off by declaring behind Sussex. The conversation would have been something like "We'll give you a lead, if you make a game of it." I would have thought that making an agreement and then going back on it would have been far more contrary to the spirit of cricket than anything else.
mona
The Glory Game
At Glamorgan, both sides were desperate for a result as Derby wanted to avoid finishing bottom. So your comparison is actually ludicrous.
Despite what happened in this final round of matches, contrived county championship games are no longer common. You keep stating that they are. I suggest you check this particular point in recent Wisdens.
Moeen Ali and Cameron obviously batted very well and deserve credit but Sussex had no need to set a target with a run rate of only 4.3. At the very least it was foolish-particularly as the club's most successful bowler of the season wasn't playing and all reports have stated that conditions for batting were favourable.
It might be quaint but I think sport should be about winning and avoiding defeat (within the rules). The priority today at New Road was to avoid defeat if a win was not possible.
Absolutely spot on Mona. Quite honestly, I cannot believe Gwylan started his reply with "don't be absurd" when there is nothing wrong with any of what you say. It was a shocking, needless, and shameful declaration by Sussex, especially given the fact that Worcs had been marginally the worse of the two sides up until that point. What possible motive did Sussex have of letting them have a bat while chasing a meagre 4 an over?