Sussex Police & Crime Commissioner Election Result

[hans kraay fan club]

She's not my boss.

I answer to the lady in my avatar, and on a slightly more local level, the Chief Constable. She may be his boss, but she's not mine.

She's your boss' boss. So, your boss then?

 

[vegster]

80k out of 1.2 million voters

I'm surprised that many bothered....about 12 % turnout but I though it might be single figures.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Turnout figures for each district:-

Adur District – Adur 6,747 from 48,517 – 13.91%

Arun District – 16,829 from 113,392 – 14.84%

Brighton and Hove – 31,510 from 209,007 – 15.08%

Chichester District – 14,972 from 92,241 – 16.23%

Crawley Borough- 11,082 from 78,657 – 14.09%

Eastbourne District – 12,590 from 73,725 – 17.08%

Hastings Borough – 10,401 from 64,335 – 16.17%

Horsham District – 17,225 from 102,061 – 16.88%

Lewes District – 13,164 from 75,372 – 17.47%

Mid Sussex District – 17,325 from 104,369 – 16.6%

Rother District– 11,813 from 72,313 – 16.34%

Wealden District – 20,609 from 118,610 – 17.38%

Worthing Borough– 10,952 from 81,567 – 13.43%

TOTAL: Sussex 195,218 = 15.82%

 

[Lady Whistledown]

It could. If a PCC has a particularly strong viewpoint on something then he/she could put pressure on the chief constable to give a particular topic more focus. For example if the PCC is strongly opposed to alcohol, they may use their influence get the police to be more rigorous in their policing of pubs and licensed premises.

Policemen and women (of all ranks) should, and usually do, leave their personal beliefs and prejudices at the door when they go to work; the same goes for PCCs

She's a Conservative. We have a Conservative government (essentially). Is she going to start pushing anything on a local level that the Government don't already promote? I doubt that very much. She's also not going to have any real influence on an operational level, that's to say how things are achieved, so I can't see much changing there. She might be able to say "sell this property" or "spend less on something else", but operationally? Nah. Having read her manifesto, I am genuinely intrigued as to where she's come up with a few ideas from, and even more so to discover exactly how she thinks they're going to work on a practical basis.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Double post. Computer playing silly arses.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

She's your boss' boss. So, your boss then?

Nope. Does she have any power to tell me to go out and arrest somebody? No she doesn't.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Correct answer, just a load more money spunked away on a useless idea

This.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Nope. Does she have any power to tell me to go out and arrest somebody? No she doesn't.

But she does have power / influence to tell your boss to tell you to concentrate on some things over others?

 

[vegster]

Turnout figures for each district:-

Adur District – Adur 6,747 from 48,517 – 13.91%

Arun District – 16,829 from 113,392 – 14.84%

Brighton and Hove – 31,510 from 209,007 – 15.08%

Chichester District – 14,972 from 92,241 – 16.23%

Crawley Borough- 11,082 from 78,657 – 14.09%

Eastbourne District – 12,590 from 73,725 – 17.08%

Hastings Borough – 10,401 from 64,335 – 16.17%

Horsham District – 17,225 from 102,061 – 16.88%

Lewes District – 13,164 from 75,372 – 17.47%

Mid Sussex District – 17,325 from 104,369 – 16.6%

Rother District– 11,813 from 72,313 – 16.34%

Wealden District – 20,609 from 118,610 – 17.38%

Worthing Borough– 10,952 from 81,567 – 13.43%

TOTAL: Sussex 195,218 = 15.82%

I'm a Worthing Non Voter and I'm quite proud that my non attendance helped Worthing to the lowest turnout in the county. Democracy in action yay !

 

[happypig]

She's a Conservative. We have a Conservative government (essentially). Is she going to start pushing anything on a local level that the Government don't already promote? I doubt that very much. She's also not going to have any real influence on an operational level, that's to say how things are achieved, so I can't see much changing there. She might be able to say "sell this property" or "spend less on something else", but operationally? Nah. Having read her manifesto, I am genuinely intrigued as to where she's come up with a few ideas from, and even more so to discover exactly how she thinks they're going to work on a practical basis.

She has the power to fire the Chief Constable so if she says "If you don't give XXX more focus, then I will bring in someone who will" then can you say for a fact the the Chief Constable won't put his job and pension first and do it ?
Can you say the same for ALL the Chief Constables ?

 

[perseus]

Candidate standings after the first vote

Katy Bourne, Conservative – 31%

Godfrey Daniel, Labour – 22%

Ian Chisnall, Independent – 21%

Tony Armstrong, UKIP – 15%

David Rogers, Liberal Democrat – 11%

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cf: In the last Parliamentary elections, if all the Sussex constituencies were taken together, the Conservatives took 46.4% of the vote, to the Lib Dems’ 27.7%, Labour’s 16.5% and UKIP’s 4%.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

But she does have power / influence to tell your boss to tell you to concentrate on some things over others?

Can she sack me? No, therefore I'm quite happy to state that she's not my boss.

The issues these PCCs will be telling their forces to concentrate on are almost without exception the exact things they're all supposed to be concentrating on anyway- neighbourhood policing being a prime example, and particularly so in Katy's case, as she represents the ruling party. Therefore I'll say it again. Nothing much will change.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

She has the power to fire the Chief Constable so if she says "If you don't give XXX more focus, then I will bring in someone who will" then can you say for a fact the the Chief Constable won't put his job and pension first and do it ?
Can you say the same for ALL the Chief Constables ?

Which is why it doesn't seem right that the PCC election became a political contest. The police are servants of the Crown, not the Government. I still happen to think there's value in that. Katy Bourne isn't going to say or do anything that this Government don't already advocate. Nor is she just going to be able to press a button and dispose of a Chief Constable on a whim, there would be all sorts of process, the same as has always been the case with the Police Authorities.

 

[Pevenseagull]

will she offer dance lessons to the police? It appears to be the only thing she knows anything about.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I'm a Worthing Non Voter and I'm quite proud that my non attendance helped Worthing to the lowest turnout in the county. Democracy in action yay !

Nowhere as good as the voters in Bettws, Newport - where, at one polling station, the turnout was ... NO-ONE.

Interestingly (or possibly not) ... Bettws is where John Frost was married.

Who he? The leader of the Chartist movement which demanded Votes For All. Frost led the 1839 Newport Uprising, when 5,000 Chartists attacked the Westgate Hotel in the town, where what passed for the local police at the time were holding fellow Chartists prisoners.

It looks like the good folk of Bettws might be thinking that there are better ways of controlling their local police force than electing a commissioner.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Nowhere as good as the voters in Bettws, Newport - where, at one polling station, the turnout was ... NO-ONE.

Interestingly (or possibly not) ... Bettws is where John Frost was married.

Who he? The leader of the Chartist movement which demanded Votes For All. Frost led the 1839 Newport Uprising, when 5,000 Chartists attacked the Westgate Hotel in the town, where what passed for the local police at the time were holding fellow Chartists prisoners.

It looks like the good folk of Bettws might be thinking that there are better ways of controlling their local police force than electing a commissioner.

In the context of this shitty farce that's made me smile.

As an aside if Daniel had stood as an Independent and merely pointed out that he'd been a magistrate for 20+ years I reckon he'd have walked it

 

[happypig]

Which is why it doesn't seem right that the PCC election became a political contest. The police are servants of the Crown, not the Government. I still happen to think there's value in that.

More than value, I think it's absolutely essential that the police, executive, legislature and judiciary are independent of each other and responsible to the crown. By introducing a PCC the government have blurred that independence. What would have been better would be if the candidates were expressly forbidden from being associated with a political party during the election and forbidden from membership during their term of office.

 

[Pevenseagull]

More than value, I think it's absolutely essential that the police, executive, legislature and judiciary are independent of each other and responsible to the crown. By introducing a PCC the government have blurred that independence. What would have been better would be if the candidates were expressly forbidden from being associated with a political party during the election and forbidden from membership during their term of office.

you'd have my vote (the IND candidate was however a total joke)

 

[happypig]

you'd have my vote (the IND candidate was however a total joke)

I might stand next time, my manifesto would contain only one item : "to sack edna krabappel just because I can"

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Interesting that Sussex is a beacon of blue in the otherwise independent South East. The PCC elections in Kent, Surrey and Hampshire have all seen Independent candidates defeat the Tories.