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[GT49er]

Propaganda is such a dirty word can we please use public relations!

Why? It is propaganda.

Sorry if you feel The Sun isn't being given the respect it deserves on here.

 

[Diablo]

the state has to step in.

The "State has to step in" That would be worrying....

 

[BigGully]

The tragedy is that so many people DO fall for it.

Propaganda is very real in this country and it is extremely harmful to our democracy. People bang on about the "free press" like it's a good thing, but it should really be heavily regulated to be more truthful and impartial, if it is to claim it is a newspaper.

Wow, I really cannot think of anyone else that would post that, I really do not, unless someone wishes to step forward.

We all have political positions and some rub each other up the wrong way, but I cannot recall anyone else clambering for 'heavily regulated press'.

 

[pb21]

It’s also a shame that people may base their vote on an unflattering photo of someone eating a sandwich.

 

[BigGully]

Is anyone calling for that? I think the ideal from all concerned has been for the press to regulate itself. However, it has proved unwilling or unable to do so, as per the various delightful sagas such as paying policemen for stories or hacking into abducted and murdered teenagers' mobile telephones. In the absence of self-regulation, the state has to step in.

Oh you too .........................

 

[Triggaaar]

We all have political positions and some rub each other up the wrong way, but I cannot recall anyone else clambering for 'heavily regulated press'.

What could possibly go wrong.

What we could do with, is a low limit of how many papers one family can own.

 

[Diablo]

Wow, I really cannot think of anyone else that would post that, I really do not, unless someone wishes to step forward.

We all have political positions and some rub each other up the wrong way, but I cannot recall anyone else clambering for 'heavily regulated press'.

1234and counting thinks press should be state regulated............Worrying!!!!!!

 

[BigGully]

What could possibly go wrong.

What we could do with, is a low limit of how many papers one family can own.

I couldnt possibly comment, you would need to talk to the regulators Mustafa and 1234andcounting.

 

[1234andcounting]

The "State has to step in" That would be worrying....

Why would that be worrying in a democracy. Surely the state in these circumstances is merely the representation of the wishes of the people. I am no statist as anyone who knows me will aver. However, there are times when it is required.

Oh look, there go a whole load of armed robbers/football hooligans/terrorists, I do hope the state doesn't step in.

 

[Doc Lynam]

Why? It is propaganda.

Sorry if you feel The Sun isn't being given the respect it deserves on here.

Whoosh

 

[Triggaaar]

Why would that be worrying in a democracy. Surely the state in these circumstances is merely the representation of the wishes of the people.

A free press is a crucial part of democracy, the state needs to be accountable. Otherwise you could have a government get power, and then control the press so that they never lose power again.

 

[sneakychef]

...as per the various delightful sagas such as paying policemen for stories or hacking into abducted and murdered teenagers' mobile telephones.

Obviously the rest is entirely indefensible, but with paying policemen for stories the people that are the bad side of that coin are the policemen asking for, and accepting, the money.

 

[Diablo]

Why would that be worrying in a democracy. Surely the state in these circumstances is merely the representation of the wishes of the people. I am no statist as anyone who knows me will aver. However, there are times when it is required.

Oh look, there go a whole load of armed robbers/football hooligans/terrorists, I do hope the state doesn't step in.

So you would be in Favour of the State which at moment is "Conservative Government" regulating the press........Pull the other one:

 

[BigGully]

Why would that be worrying in a democracy. Surely the state in these circumstances is merely the representation of the wishes of the people. I am no statist as anyone who knows me will aver. However, there are times when it is required.

Oh look, there go a whole load of armed robbers/football hooligans/terrorists, I do hope the state doesn't step in.

Seriously in what circumstances would you think it would be required ??

 

[ROSM]

I would think that any person eating a sandwich can be made to look foolish at a given point. Just like frame by frame pics of people sneezing.

At least he didnt use a knife and fork

 

[1234andcounting]

I couldnt possibly comment, you would need to talk to the regulators Mustafa and 1234andcounting.

OK, what do you think should not be intermediated then? Food preparation and distribution? Nuclear energy generation? Football matches?

There is a general acceptance in all societies that intermediation of some form or other is required in most walks of life.

As I said, my preferred option would be self-regulation, but that has failed in so many fields - fit and proper persons and the ownership of football clubs is just one example.

Instead of attacking my position why not demonstrate why you think that the media in this country should not have some form of decency in conduct forced upon it. Two words should be sufficient to justify it - Millie Dowler.

 

[El Presidente]

Is anyone calling for that? I think the ideal from all concerned has been for the press to regulate itself. However, it has proved unwilling or unable to do so, as per the various delightful sagas such as paying policemen for stories or hacking into abducted and murdered teenagers' mobile telephones. In the absence of self-regulation, the state has to step in.

I think that's a step too far.

As odious and hypocritical as I find Murdoch, he and his lackeys can write what they want (or what he tells them to write). The same goes for the Barclay brothers and Rothermere. One thing they all have in common of course is that they don't live here, or pay any taxes. This just reinforces their hypocrisy.

What happened with Millie Dowler and other phone hacking scandals all broke existing laws, and can be dealt with using that avenue. The Mirror under Moron will probably be found to be little better in this regard.

Some form of right of reply would be beneficial though. Whether this is better enshrined in statute or by a regulator is a tough call.

On the one hand newspaper barons can afford the most expensive lawyers (Murdoch stumped up over £60m in fees for the hacking trial), on top of the £16 million pay off to husband beater Rebekah Wade, so can fight tooth and nail any accusations.

On the other, how independent would a regulator be?

 

[Diablo]

OK, what do you think should not be intermediated then? Food preparation and distribution? Nuclear energy generation? Football matches?

There is a general acceptance in all societies that intermediation of some form or other is required in most walks of life.

As I said, my preferred option would be self-regulation, but that has failed in so many fields - fit and proper persons and the ownership of football clubs is just one example.

Instead of attacking my position why not demonstrate why you think that the media in this country should not have some form of decency in conduct forced upon it. Two words should be sufficient to justify it - Millie Dowler.

So can you answer...Would you be in Favour of State (Conservative Government) regulating press ? Most Conservatives would be against that...

 

[BLOCK F]

It’s also a shame that people may base their vote on an unflattering photo of someone eating a sandwich.

Or basing their vote on being told what to do by Russell Unintelligible Brand.

 

[sneakychef]

Two words should be sufficient to justify it - Millie Dowler.

One isolated incident, no matter how abhorrent, is not enough to throw away the one way of holding a democracy to account.