[News] Sturgeon et al lose indyref2 court case

[Bozza]

The Scottish government cannot hold an independence referendum without the UK government's consent, the Supreme Court has ruled.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon wants to hold a referendum on 19 October next year.

But the court ruled unanimously that she does not have the power to do so.

Scottish government loses indyref2 court case

The Supreme Court rules that an independence referendum cannot be held without UK government's consent.

www.bbc.co.uk

She battles on...

 

[Stat Brother]

FFS does that mean we have to keep Yorkshire, as well?

 

[KZNSeagull]

The Speaker has now let the SNP ask the same question ("How do we leave this so called voluntary union") 4 times in PMQs.
Make that 6 times

 

[nicko31]

Sturgeon knew she would lose the case and is playing games to try to increase a sense of grievance.

I hope Sunak and future PMs will engage more with Scotland, the Johnson government was a dream for the SNP and centred itself on English nationalism and division.

As for SNP I know they hate Brexit, but they should also look at its failure. The smaller party that chooses to break away will always come off worse, a break with the UK would be no different.

If there ever is any Vote to break up the UK, its a Vote for also all not just the Scots and should require a super majority.

 

[Smirko]

Snigger

 

[Perfidious Albion]

Sturgeon is saying that this shows it is not a voluntary union of partners…. But who ever said that it was voluntary? News to me..

 

[KZNSeagull]

Now saying that the next GE will be a de facto referendum so in order to do that I guess they will have to run with just the 1 policy?

 

[Rookie]

Waste of time and money. Everyone knew the outcome, but the SNP pushed on regardless.

 

[Curious Orange]

If the Scots want more influence at a UK level they'll need to start voting for the UK wide parties again.

They seem to have forgotten that a) they have a disproportionately high number of MPs given their population, and b) they had a decade from 1997 when most of the top Government jobs were held by their own countrymen!

 

[beorhthelm]

Sturgeon is saying that this shows it is not a voluntary union of partners…. But who ever said that it was voluntary? News to me..

yes, does seem like a contrived arguement. the Act of Union 1707 doesnt have an exit, end of union clause.

 

[beorhthelm]

Now saying that the next GE will be a de facto referendum so in order to do that I guess they will have to run with just the 1 policy?

may be for the best, as i gather on most domestic, devolved issues they are not doing so well. so dont draw attention to any of them, blame everything on Westminster and vote to leave to solve everything.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I'm going to be the dissenting voice here. If the Scots want a referendum then let them. If it's such a problem to those that oppose another referendum then write into the legislation for the new referendum that another can't be held for x amount of time. I really don't understand why people are so opposed to the electorate having their say.

 

[maltaseagull]

I'm going to be the dissenting voice here. If the Scots want a referendum then let them. If it's such a problem to those that oppose another referendum then write into the legislation for the new referendum that another can't be held for x amount of time. I really don't understand why people are so opposed to the electorate having their say.

They have and they did.
Rather like Brexit. Perhaps another vote on that is in order?

 

[Mellotron]

As for SNP I know they hate Brexit, but they should also look at its failure. The smaller party that chooses to break away will always come off worse, a break with the UK would be no different.

Not if it means they can then rejoin the EU. They'd fly past us.

 

[Titanic]

Not if it means they can then rejoin the EU. They'd fly past us.

A land border between Scotland/EU and England. Now that would be 'interesting'

 

[Mellotron]

A land border between Scotland/EU and England. Now that would be 'interesting'

Hang on - are you suggesting there are no borders between countries in the EU, and countries outside of it.......?

 

[GT49er]

The Scots should have thought it through before they sent their king down south to take over England and Wales too, then.

Referendum after referendum until you get the 'right' result isn't an appropriate way of doing things. Forty years between referendums seems about right - they should be truly a generational thing, not every five minutes because some people didn't like the result.

 

[Blue3]

I am genuinely sad as should Scotland have won the right to another referendum and decided to then leave the UK with re entry into the EU, it would be the catalyst for me to move to Scotland

 

[Bozza]

The Scots should have thought it through before they sent their king down south to take over England and Wales too, then.

Referendum after referendum until you get the 'right' result isn't an appropriate way of doing things. Forty years between referendums seems about right - they should be truly a generational thing, not every five minutes because some people didn't like the result.

The last one was in 2014 so I assume Sturgeon and the SNP would accept having one each nine years, should they get their wish to have a second referendum in 2023?

That way, should it all go pear-shaped, the good people of Scotland would be given the opportunity to reverse their decision in 2032 and re-join the union.

Or is it as you say, just keep going until the desired outcome is achieved and then never talk about it again?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Forty years between referendums seems about right - they should be truly a generational thing, not every five minutes because some people didn't like the result.

I'd agree with you normally but remember the status quo has somewhat changed for every UK nation since we voted to leave the EU. If the people of Scotland think leaving the UK and joining the EU is best for them then let them.