Stuart Broad - good or a potential great?

[larus]

Reading the reports from the last ODI, Stuart Braoad has become the yougest Englishman to 100 wickets in ODI's.

Is he just a good player, or does he really have the potential to become a great player?

IMO, I think he has the potential; he thinks about the game. If his batting could get back on track, he could be a real world-class all-rounder.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

GOOD, I'd say.

Decent bowler, and plays some really fine orthodox shots, but he's never going to join the likes of Imran, Dev, Hadlee, Sobers and Botham. They are the GREATS.

Its also worth noting, on that particular STAT, that SO much more one day cricket is played nowadays than back then.
How many MATCHES did it take him, comapred with past players?

By the same token, Collingwood yesterday became England's highest ODI run scorer. Is he really a better one day player than Botham, Lamb, Gooch etc?

 

[CHAPPERS]

In the last year or so he really has come on and looks like the finished article on the one day game. His knack of taking big wickets in tests is also very useful.

I think he could be a great. You must not forget that he is only 24.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

As a further illustartion of this PROLIFERATION of ODI's, I went to the game at the Rose Bowl on Tuesday, and as each batsman came out, the big screens showe their stats. There were a couple of Aussies I'd never heard of, who had 50+ ODIs to their name!

 

[keaton]

As a further illustartion of this PROLIFERATION of ODI's, I went to the game at the Rose Bowl on Tuesday, and as each batsman came out, the big screens showe their stats. There were a couple of Aussies I'd never heard of, who had 50+ ODIs to their name!

I'll give you Hopes as one but that makes the other one one of Watson, Ponting, Clarke, Hauritz, Hussey or White?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I'll give you Hopes as one but that makes the other one one of Watson, Ponting, Clarke, Hauritz, Hussey or White?

It was Hopes that really stood out, but a couple of the bowlers too, who I think of as a completely new quartet.

[Hazlewood WAS making his debut]

 

[Marshy]

I'd say very good.

 

[keaton]

He's the joint quickest to a hundred wickets in terms of matches played (61) and joint 12th quickest overall.

Records | One-Day Internationals | Bowling records | Fastest to 100 wickets | Cricinfo.com

 

[Brovion]

As a further illustartion of this PROLIFERATION of ODI's, I went to the game at the Rose Bowl on Tuesday, and as each batsman came out, the big screens showe their stats. There were a couple of Aussies I'd never heard of, who had 50+ ODIs to their name!

Another stat I saw: The Rosebowl was the 3,000 ODI dating back about 40 years (can't remember when the first one was but I know Boycott made about 8 from 30-odd balls). Ponting, who is not THAT old, has played in over 10% of them! One player from one country!

On the Collingwood stat I believe he's only played one more match than the previous record holder. Don't forget they score MUCH quicker now than they did then - in the old days once the asking rate had crept up to over a run a ball it was pretty much game over.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Players are going to break the 'youngest player to...' records as there is so much more one day cricket nowadays and power plays have been enforced and so on.

 

[sten_super]

GOOD, I'd say.

Decent bowler, and plays some really fine orthodox shots, but he's never going to join the likes of Imran, Dev, Hadlee, Sobers and Botham. They are the GREATS.

Its also worth noting, on that particular STAT, that SO much more one day cricket is played nowadays than back then.
How many MATCHES did it take him, comapred with past players?

By the same token, Collingwood yesterday became England's highest ODI run scorer. Is he really a better one day player than Botham, Lamb, Gooch etc?

I don't think you are giving Collingwood due credit. I'll confess to being too young to have seen Botham, Lamb or even Gooch in their prime, but if you look at the averages there's not much between them.

Collingwood; 4693 runs at an average of 36.66, strike rate of 77.04
Botham; 2113 runs, av 23.21, sr 79.10
Lamb; 4010 runs, av 39.31, sr 75.54
Gooch; 4290 runs, av 36.98, sr 61.88

Amongst the top 10 England run scorers in ODIs Pietersen (44.33) and Knight (40.41) have the highest averages, and flintoff, Pietersen and Trescothick the best strike rates.

Cricket Records | Records | England | One-Day Internationals | Most runs | Cricinfo.com

Incidentally, Broad took 62 ODIs to reach 100 wickets, the same number as Gough, and they are the joint fastest Englishmen in terms of games played. Anderson took 70, and Botham 75. I think Broad could be a great bowler for England, but I don't think he'll make it as a bona fida all rounder.

 

[backson]

Another stat I saw: The Rosebowl was the 3,000 ODI dating back about 40 years (can't remember when the first one was but I know Boycott made about 8 from 30-odd balls). Ponting, who is not THAT old, has played in over 10% of them! One player from one country!

At first I thought that didn't seem right, but I checked and you're absolutely right. He's not even top of the list by a long way. Jayasuriya has played in nearly 15% of all ODIs!

 

[Uncle Buck]

At present very good.

Sometimes struggles in the first test after a batch of ODI's, as he can bowl too many one day type balls.

Needs to be give the number 7 spot in the Pakistan series to see if his batting is up to it.