[Politics] Stop the boats

[Deportivo Seagull]

There are legal routes. Many people do arrive in the UK legally. Yes, the processing once here should be quicker, but the criminal gangs don't sell places on death-trap boats because the processing is slow! One reason for some (many?) of the boat passengers trying to get in illegally is to avoid processing.

The rotors had plenty of time and opportunity post brexit to work with the EU and France to put a plan in place. They didn’t so they are very to blame.

 

[beorhthelm]

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard begs to differ



An oldie but a goody

he refers to resettlement schemes that are active from time to time. short policies for Syrians, Afgans, Ukrainians, in response to immediate crisis. they aren't permenant safe routes - was there ever one for Iran, Yeman, Sudan, Albania, etc? we need a permenant solution as he suggesting with a humanitan visa, look forward to it in next 12-18 mths.

 

[WATFORD zero]

he refers to resettlement schemes that are active from time to time. short policies for Syrians, Afgans, Ukrainians, in response to immediate crisis. they aren't permenant safe routes - was there ever one for Iran, Yeman, Sudan, Albania, etc? we need a permenant solution as he suggesting with a humanitan visa, look forward to it in next 12-18 mths.

He also says that the main driver of the channel boat numbers rising is the closing down of legal routes, exactly as @pocketseagull stated and you said was wrong

 

[Seagull58]

repulsive Tories with Blood on their hands,

Migrant boat sinks in Channel killing six people

UK and French coastguards rescued 59 people but two may still be missing, authorities said.

www.bbc.com

I don't understand. Dover lifeboat could not get there immediately because they were busy rescuing another migrant boat. Why do the Tories have blood on their hands?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Maybe we need a poll.

Is what we are currently seeing in the English channel, a result of

1/ A plan to increase the number of people risking their lives trying to cross the Channel
2/ Gross, verging on criminal incompetence

Worth bearing in mind

2018 - 299
2019 - 1,890
2020 - 8,466
2021 - 28,526
2022 - 45,755

 

[Wokeworrier]

The governments incompetence is playing into the criminal gangs hands. If you can’t see that then take your head out of your arse.

Stop trying to shift the blame. There is an endless supply of desperate people willing to risk their lives getting into Europe. The numbers fluctuate wildly no matter the government or policy because there are no easy solutions. (despite what you read on here)

Approx 2,500 drowned trying to get into the EU, does the EU/individual member states also have blood on their hands?

Here are the key numbers about migration to the EU you need to know

Here are the main numbers about migration to the EU you need to know #EuropeDecoded

www.euronews.com

 

[Seagull58]

The tories shut down legal routes for asylum applications and that means people are making this hazardous journey. You can definitely blame the tories for the results of their policies.

I'm sure this has been discussed many times but aren't asylum seekers supposed to claim asylum in the first country they arrive at e.g. Italy, Greece, France etc.? If, on the other hand, they are economic migrants then they have the right to apply legally for residence but, as is the case when UK citizens apply in France, Spain, Portugal etc , they will be rejected if they don't have the financial means to support themselves.

 

[Seagull58]

Perhaps instead of spending millions on the Rwanda plan that could have been directed at employing more people to process the massive backlog of applications!!!

Also, exactly how many people have been arrested in the so called pursuit of the criminal gangs?

Wouldn't the vast majority of applicants be rejected because they are economic migrants without the financial means to support themselves?

 

[pocketseagull]

I'm sure this has been discussed many times but aren't asylum seekers supposed to claim asylum in the first country they arrive at e.g. Italy, Greece, France etc.?

Simple answer is no.

There is no legal duty or obligation on the asylum seeker to claim and remain in the first safe country and an asylum seeker who moves on is not breaking the law by doing so or disqualifying themselves from refugee status.

 

[Seagull58]

It is the Tories though who've closed off all 'safe and legal' routes to the UK for most people, forcing desperate asylum seekers into the hands of these scum bags. They can't claim asylum in the UK until they're in the country. The only way to get here safely is to be selected for refugee resettlement by the UN, unless they happen to be from Ukraine, Hong Kong or Afghanistan. 'Resettlement' is the lie they hide behind to massage the figures and make it sound like we do our bit when, in fact, we help far fewer people overall than other major European countries.

If they are asylum seekers, and not economic migrants, they should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. I'm not aware of Italy Greece and France being unsafe countries.

 

[Seagull58]

Simple answer is no.

Where is that quote from?

 

[Coldeanseagull]

All a bit of a pickle.

I'm sure that the next Prime Minister will have this at the top of his 'to sort out' list.

Yeah, like the socialists could do better with immigrants trying to sneak into this country

 

[pocketseagull]

Where is that quote from?

https://freemovement.org.uk/are-ref...m-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach

More details here

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Stop trying to shift the blame. There is an endless supply of desperate people willing to risk their lives getting into Europe. The numbers fluctuate wildly no matter the government or policy because there are no easy solutions. (despite what you read on here)

Approx 2,500 drowned trying to get into the EU, does the EU/individual member states also have blood on their hands?

Here are the key numbers about migration to the EU you need to know

Here are the main numbers about migration to the EU you need to know #EuropeDecoded

www.euronews.com

To fix a problem you need to understand it & work with relevant interested parties to generate a strategy and implement the solution. The fact that the tories did none of these lays, the blame firmly at their door. What’s it like being an apologist for this bunch of corrupt racist wankers?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Yeah, like the socialists could do better with immigrants trying to sneak into this country

Grants to the trafficking gangs?

 

[Seagull58]

Simple answer is no.

This is a more comprehensive quote from the document,-
The development of the system was largely driven by the UK in order to rationalise the Dublin Convention, originally agreed outside the auspices of the EU in 1995. Latterly referred to as the Dublin system or the Dublin Regulation, it is now a piece of EU law. Where an asylum seeker has been fingerprinted in an EU Member State but then moves on to another EU Member State, under the Dublin system the asylum seeker can be sent back to the first country to have the asylum claim processed there.

For example, if an asylum seeker reaches Italy, is fingerprinted then travels to the UK and claims asylum, pretty much the first thing the Home Office used to do is take fingerprints, check them against the central Eurodac fingerprint database and then if a match is found notify the other country and send the asylum seeker back there pronto.

There is no legal duty or obligation on the asylum seeker to claim and remain in the first safe country and an asylum seeker who moves on is not breaking the law by doing so or disqualifying themselves from refugee status. But as a matter of administration, one EU country can send the asylum seeker back to another EU country under this system.

 

[Zebedee]

We could stop the boats immediately if we had the balls to round up the migrants, once they landed, and take them straight back to France with no questions asked. None of them are fleeing a repressive regime in travelling from the coast of France. They simply want a better life here, where there are no ID cards, benefits a plenty, including Legal Aid, and lots of opportunities to work and keep under the radar. Please don't tell me that returning them to France would be illegal, as they are here in the first place illegally.

 

[trueblue]

Maybe we need a poll.

Is what we are currently seeing in the English channel, a result of

1/ A plan to increase the number of people risking their lives trying to cross the Channel
2/ Gross, verging on criminal incompetence

Worth bearing in mind

2018 - 299
2019 - 1,890
2020 - 8,466
2021 - 28,526
2022 - 45,755

Don’t drag Pascal into this

 

[Since1982]

If they are asylum seekers, and not economic migrants, they should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. I'm not aware of Italy Greece and France being unsafe countries.

The majority do. But it's absurd to say that just because we happen to be at the end of a cross continental journey that we should wash our hands of the problem. The majority of asylum requests are approved so establish safe and legal routes which hits the criminal gangs hard, deport those who don't qualify.

 

[beorhthelm]

We could stop the boats immediately if we had the balls to round up the migrants, once they landed, and take them straight back to France with no questions asked. None of them are fleeing a repressive regime in travelling from the coast of France. They simply want a better life here, where there are no ID cards, benefits a plenty, including Legal Aid, and lots of opportunities to work and keep under the radar. Please don't tell me that returning them to France would be illegal as they are here illegally.

France is under no obligation to take them back. really just round them up as you put it, provide accomodation and process them as quickly as possible, let them work, is the best way to avoid legal aid and benefits. and if we're doing that we ought to have a reception centre and regular ferry from France to avoid the dangerous crossing.