Stockport County - into admin

[sten_super]

edit: just seen this

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I'm sorry, WHAT? I'd love it if someone could explain these rules. So if a team is in the relegation zone, the punishment carries over, else it comes into effect immeadiately?

It seems to me that this is yet another example of the FL setting up rules in the wake of Leedsgate, without thinking of the long term ramifications. Only a club that gets relegated will have their points deduction carried over? I just don't understand.

 

[Forster's Armband]

Exactly. How many clubs will it take to go into administration for the money rich Premier League to care. Judging by the FA's reaction to our issues over the Goldstone, they couldn't care less either. Clubs are going to start going out of business and still nothing will be done to redistribute the money in the game.

This is another sad day for football. Gutted for Stockport, I wish the club and it's fans all the best for the future (except for Saturday afternoon).

I am afraid that 100% of football league clubs could go under and the prem would not give shit as long as the money is going into there coffers.

 

[Mendoza]

You pick any member of the England national team, their monthly wage would have stopped this happening

Some players should remember where they came from to get where they are. I am not saying donating money, but just be more discreet about showing off how much they earn

A complete tosspot like Ashley Cole earns enough in a year that would probably have saved Southampton, Stockport, Darlington and Luton going into administration

The powers that be at The FA should do something about it, but they care more about how many step overs Ronaldo will do or how many times John Terry wins a header

 

[Finchley Seagull]

I am afraid that 100% of football league clubs could go under and the prem would not give shit as long as the money is going into there coffers.

I know but it is a really sad reflection on football as a whole. Clubs are going into administration (and one day clubs will go under) and the Premier League is more worried about bringing Rangers and Celtic into the English League and setting up a second Premier League.

They seem to forget where a lot of Premier League players came from. Everton have built their team around the likes of Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott etc who all came from the lower leagues but without lower divisions these players may never have had their chance.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

You pick any member of the England national team, their monthly wage would have stopped this happening

Some players should remember where they came from to get where they are. I am not saying donating money, but just be more discreet about showing off how much they earn

A complete tosspot like Ashley Cole earns enough in a year that would probably have saved Southampton, Stockport, Darlington and Luton going into administration

The powers that be at The FA should do something about it, but they care more about how many step overs Ronaldo will do or how many times John Terry wins a header

Cole is a classic example of Premier League greed. Didn't he call Arsenal's offer of £80k a week "an insult"?

 

[Stoo82]

I think the football league should break away from the prem. f*** em.

Championship would be the top league. Incorperate the confrence as the 4th league. f*** Europe too.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

edit: just seen this

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I'm sorry, WHAT? I'd love it if someone could explain these rules. So if a team is in the relegation zone, the punishment carries over, else it comes into effect immeadiately?

It seems to me that this is yet another example of the FL setting up rules in the wake of Leedsgate, without thinking of the long term ramifications. Only a club that gets relegated will have their points deduction carried over? I just don't understand.

I think it may apply this season until after Saturday, when it is confirmed it does not matter and will then be carried over to next season. I could be wrong though.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I think the football league should break away from the prem. f*** em.

Championship would be the top league. Incorperate the confrence as the 4th league. f*** Europe too.

Well that is one way of getting the second league of the Premiership sorted...

 

[Stoo82]

Well that is one way of getting the second league of the Premiership sorted...

Ive not heard about the 2nd prem league? Can you give me a quike rundown?

 

[Gary Leeds]

edit: just seen this

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I'm sorry, WHAT? I'd love it if someone could explain these rules. So if a team is in the relegation zone, the punishment carries over, else it comes into effect immeadiately?

It seems to me that this is yet another example of the FL setting up rules in the wake of Leedsgate, without thinking of the long term ramifications. Only a club that gets relegated will have their points deduction carried over? I just don't understand.

Well if thats the case then I apologise for my previous postings on this subject. I thought I understood the rules but either I dont or the FL dont (and I would not put money on either of us being right)

 

[Notters' Dad]

Well I've finally arrived on NSC (not before time perhaps?).
So watch out Notters!

Not sure about Sky, but that's long been so; according to the football league, Stockport's 10 point deduction is immediate:

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[Pavilionaire]

I'm confused.

Both the FL and Sky Sports say the 10-point deduction happens with immediate effect, but barring a freak weekend of 9-0 scorelines they can't get relegated.

So where is the penalty? The loss of 10 points makes absolutely no difference.

 

[Gary Leeds]

exactly, hold off going into administration until you know you are safe then take the 10 point hit. If they had been 9 points off safety I bet they would have waited until the close season

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I'm confused.

Both the FL and Sky Sports say the 10-point deduction happens with immediate effect, but barring a freak weekend of 9-0 scorelines they can't get relegated.

So where is the penalty? The loss of 10 points makes absolutely no difference.

I think the 10 points deduction is imposed immediately BUT suspended until all the results are in on Saturday , the FL will then announce after knowing what effect a points deduction will have in relation to relegation. The FL rules mean that a club going into administration after the cut off date will have points deducted if it affects promotion , play offs or relegation , failing that the deduction is carried over to the following season.

 

[sten_super]

I think the 10 points deduction is imposed immediately BUT suspended until all the results are in on Saturday , the FL will then announce after knowing what effect a points deduction will have in relation to relegation. The FL rules mean that a club going into administration after the cut off date will have points deducted if it affects promotion , play offs or relegation , failing that the deduction is carried over to the following season.

But the football league were very clear regarding the imposition of the penalty when it came to Southampton; see
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So why not for Stockport, if what you say is correct (and I think it is). Someone at the FL has most definitely dropped the ball (yet again, surprise surprise) on this one.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I think the 10 points deduction is imposed immediately BUT suspended until all the results are in on Saturday , the FL will then announce after knowing what effect a points deduction will have in relation to relegation. The FL rules mean that a club going into administration after the cut off date will have points deducted if it affects promotion , play offs or relegation , failing that the deduction is carried over to the following season.

This is how it works I think, I got this off the Evening Echo website:

FOOTBALL League clubs have until the fourth Thursday in March to go into administration, or they will have their ten-point deduction suspended.

Clubs who take the step before March 26 will be penalised immediately.

If they wait until after that date, the situation changes.

Initially, no deduction will be made and they will play out the season as normal.

If they are subsequently relegated, they will start the next season on minus-ten points.

However, if they finish outside the drop zone, the ten points will be taken off after the final game of the season.

If that causes them to slip into the relegation zone, they would then go down.

That means, in order to be safe, any club entering administration after March 26 must effectively finish ten points above the bottom three.

Even if County lose to us their goal difference is that much superior to Carlisle's that it would take score-lines of gigantic proportions to relegate them!

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

But the football league were very clear regarding the imposition of the penalty when it came to Southampton; see
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So why not for Stockport, if what you say is correct (and I think it is). Someone at the FL has most definitely dropped the ball (yet again, surprise surprise) on this one.

For Southampton this was the ruling:

As the insolvency event occurred after The Football League's deadline of the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction will take effect either:

1.In the current season, if Southampton avoid relegation to League 1;

or

2.next season, if the club does not avoid relegation.

This will happen to Stockport as well. I remember looking at the Championship table when the Southampton news came out and they didn't get the points deducted immediately, if it is after the March deadline the deduction is held off till the final day of the season.

 

[readingstockport]

exactly, hold off going into administration until you know you are safe then take the 10 point hit. If they had been 9 points off safety I bet they would have waited until the close season

Tit head, it was nothing to do with the club. It was a venture captial company called David Farms that forced the admin on County.

 

[Poyetry In Motion]

You pick any member of the England national team, their monthly wage would have stopped this happening

Some players should remember where they came from to get where they are. I am not saying donating money, but just be more discreet about showing off how much they earn

A complete tosspot like Ashley Cole earns enough in a year that would probably have saved Southampton, Stockport, Darlington and Luton going into administration

The powers that be at The FA should do something about it, but they care more about how many step overs Ronaldo will do or how many times John Terry wins a header

110% accurate statement.best post i've seen in ages.

 

[sten_super]

Somebody posted this on the stockport forum a few days ago (obviously planning ahead!).

Stockport County Supporters Messageboard: Administration! A bit of clarification...

Dear Mr

Thank you for your email.

Please find below an extract from League Regulations. The complete Regulations are contained in The League’s Handbook which is available to purchase from this office. A publications pro forma is attached which you should complete and return to The Football League Operations Centre, Edward VII Quay, Navigation Way, Preston PR2 2YF, together with the appropriate remittance.

“12.3.1 With effect from the 10th May 2004, if any Club shall:-

a) have a manager, administrator, receiver or administrative receiver appointed in respect of that Club or any part of its undertaking or assets;
b) have an administration order made in respect of that Club;
c) have a winding-up order made in respect of that Club;
d) pass a resolution for the winding-up of that Club;
e) enter into any agreement with its creditors or some part of them in respect of the payment of its debts or part of them as a company voluntary arrangement under the Insolvency Act 1986 or Scheme or Arrangement under the Companies Act 1985; or
f) have any proceeding or step taken or any court order in any jurisdiction made which has substantially similar effect to any of the foregoing;

that Club shall be deducted 10 points.

12.3.2 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.3.3 below, where the Club takes or suffers such action as set out in Regulation 12.3.1.:-
a) during the Normal Playing Season, but prior to 5.00pm on the [fourth Thursday in March], the points deduction shall apply immediately;
b) during the Normal Playing Season, but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in Match, Regulation 12.3.3 shall apply; and
c) outside the Normal Playing Season, the points deduction shall apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season on minus 10 points (including in the Football Conference if appropriate).

12.3.3 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.2(b) apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):-
a) the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.3, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the Football Conference, if appropriate); or
b) the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season and Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.3 will then apply (if appropriate) following imposition of the points deduction.”

We hope this is helpful.


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So, for some bizarre reason, the deduction only gets carried over if the team would be relegated without it.