Stockdale,,,,,,

[Guinness Boy]

Half sat half laying on the ground? He runs our shifting weight from foot to foot ready to dive either way, and as soon as he is close to the attacker, the boro player pulls it back, as that ball is played Stockdale dives. He had no chance to grab the ball.



He absolutely made a very basic mistake for the second, but he can't be blamed in any way for the first.

The first was a collective cock up. He's hesitant but not the worst offender by far. The second is down to him, simple as.

 

[Napier's Knee]

Neuer would look dodgy if he had our defence in front of him. Not blaming the defenders here but the tactics which leave such wide open spaces

 

[Finchley Seagull]

What like he did in the first minute when he was slow off his line? Looked a close one from where I was.

Stopped the player shooting? Rather he'd have just got the ball, it was a lack of sharpness and starting position.

Incidentally, did they not score anyway?

What a bizarre comment. Yes, they did score anyway but he stopped the striker shooting by closing him down and his defence should have closed down the other Middlesbrough players.

Also, I don't think he was slow off his line early on and it wasn't a penalty but it's a completely different situation. This thread is everything that's wrong with NSC, so called fans scapegoating one player for what was a poor performance all round.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Neuer would look dodgy if he had our defence in front of him. Not blaming the defenders here but the tactics which leave such wide open spaces

So true......

 

[Finchley Seagull]

I'm not saying he didn't have his shirt pulled, I dont recall it. I'm pretty sure he had time to clear up field before he was closed down though.....I'm sure you'll tell me

He would have had more if he hadn't had his shirt pulled. I was just interested in whether you were saying you disagreed with the fact he had his shirt pulled. If you didn't see it, fair enough but it definitely happened. Greer could probably have done better. D'Urso should definitely have done better.

 

[bhawoddy]

And if he takes out their player and gives away a penalty, then he's blamed by people like you and BensGrandad for diving in. He does the right thing, stops the player shooting. It's not his fault we have no defensive cover anywhere near Tomlin to block the shot.

Reach overhit his touch which allowed DS to come out and spread himself had he been a bit sharper IMO.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Which I would think is rock bottom at the moment based on his twitter comments.

And why's that? I'm sure I'll be told that he shouldn't be on Twitter if he doesn't want feedback however for our fans to go and attack him there is hardly helping!

 

[BensGrandad]

Neuer would look dodgy if he had our defence in front of him. Not blaming the defenders here but the tactics which leave such wide open spaces

That is when you need your keeper to up the anti and help you out.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Reach overhit his touch which allowed DS to come out and spread himself had he been a bit sharper IMO.

Why do I bother? Apparently everyone on here wants our goalkeeper to be diving in in the penalty area and risking giving away a penalty (which is a risk whatever you think). I'm sure you should all be goalkeeping coaches and teach that!

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Neuer would look dodgy if he had our defence in front of him. Not blaming the defenders here but the tactics which leave such wide open spaces

And that's the problem for Stockdale. He's compared to Kuszczak who did well but had two season behind a very solid team with quite a defensive formation. We've suddenly got a more attacking team, especially the full back, leaving the keeper more exposed. That's apparently Stockdale's fault.

 

[bhawoddy]

He would have had more if he hadn't had his shirt pulled. I was just interested in whether you were saying you disagreed with the fact he had his shirt pulled. If you didn't see it, fair enough but it definitely happened. Greer could probably have done better. D'Urso should definitely have done better.

No, not disagreeing he had his shirt pulled because I didn't see or remember it, so can't argue that point. I would have to see a replay of it to be honest. All I remember is he took a touch got closed down and then lost the ball. I'm pretty sure had he cleared up field BEFORE he was closed down then we wouldn't be debating this point IMO.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

What a bizarre comment. Yes, they did score anyway but he stopped the striker shooting by closing him down and his defence should have closed down the other Middlesbrough players.

Also, I don't think he was slow off his line early on and it wasn't a penalty but it's a completely different situation. This thread is everything that's wrong with NSC, so called fans scapegoating one player for what was a poor performance all round.

Hardly bizarre, if he was sharper and started a yard further out he would have got the ball, no penalty a good save.

So he hasn't shot, what was the outcome?

I agree with you on the scapegoating players and am just offering an opinion. If you look at my earlier post you'll see I said could've done better, and that Bennett was also culpable on the second.

if anyone is to blame, it is the manager for persisting with these dumb-ass tactics.

 

[bhawoddy]

Why do I bother? Apparently everyone on here wants our goalkeeper to be diving in in the penalty area and risking giving away a penalty (which is a risk whatever you think). I'm sure you should all be goalkeeping coaches and teach that!

It's about opinions FS. Why do you believe your right and everyone else is wrong?

 

[bhawoddy]

Hardly bizarre, if he was sharper and started a yard further out he would have got the ball, no penalty a good save.

So he hasn't shot, what was the outcome?

I agree with you on the scapegoating players and am just offering an opinion. If you look at my earlier post you'll see I said could've done better, and that Bennett was also culpable on the second.

if anyone is to blame, it is the manager for persisting with these dumb-ass tactics.

Agree here..

 

[bhawoddy]

Why do I bother? Apparently everyone on here wants our goalkeeper to be diving in in the penalty area and risking giving away a penalty (which is a risk whatever you think). I'm sure you should all be goalkeeping coaches and teach that!

I think you should have glass of sherry and put your feet up........

 

[AmexRuislip]

Though hope is supposed to be this uplifting feeling, it's often experienced as an irritant or a buzzkill. And nihilism is kind of, well, charming and sexy. Like young Magneto in X-Men First Class. The Stockdale Paradox explains why that might be.

It turns out that there are really two kinds of hope. There's the candy-coated type that encourages people to escape into sugary fantasies rather than cope with a bad situation (keeping a clean sheet). Then there's the brand of hope that allows people to look at the full horror of their situation square in the face, because they have the grim belief that in the end they will prevail (ball in back of net). Both kinds of hope are upsetting — one is airheaded escapism, while the other is too focused on gritty reality to be uplifting. It's the latter kind of hope that's captured by the Stockdale Paradox.

Original link:


http://io9.com/the-stockdale-paradox-reveals-why-hope-is-the-grimmest-1287812990

 

[Gazwag]

And why's that? I'm sure I'll be told that he shouldn't be on Twitter if he doesn't want feedback however for our fans to go and attack him there is hardly helping!

Any "fan" who goes onto Twitter and has a go at any player through that players Twitter account is quite frankly pathetic

 

[BensGrandad]

Any "fan" who goes onto Twitter and has a go at any player through that players Twitter account is quite frankly pathetic

That is correct but being in the public eye means that you are likely to be the subject of abuse from some people at some time. I stick to a discussion forum, which I understand the players dont read and is intended for fans. If a player read it I would still have the same opinion be it right or wrong.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Any "fan" who goes onto Twitter and has a go at any player through that players Twitter account is quite frankly pathetic

Agreed. Just bullying really. I consider NSC to be a forum where we can discuss opinions and views, and hopefully have mature debate.

 

[Weststander]

Is Tomek Kuszczak still sulking somewhere in Oldham?

How about telling him to get a grip of himself and giving him another chance? Perhaps by now he has already understood that his best chance of playing in the Premier League is with BHA.

League One with BHA?