Steve Bruce will be next manager of MU

[Tricky Dicky]

Yet consistenly most refs wouldn't have allowed that goal. If he'd nipped it in the bud when Torres ran to the ball it wouldn't have even been a talking point - Most refs would've blown straight away I guaruntee it.

I think you're right they would, if nothing else because it was an unusual situation, and they tend to default to blowing. I think the only reason he went to the lino was to say "did he kick it", because, as you say, he had hix back to the ball - and the answer was yes, so as far as he was concerend it was ok.

I don't think anyone can blame Torres, he checked twice with the ref before squaring it to Dirk.

 

[Football_Friends]

I really can't see why common sense and consistency cant go together. Isn't common sense something that is meant to be consistently the same in most people hence being called 'common sense'? Otherwise it's an opinion and not common sense (if you get what I'm saying).

I for one don't want jobsworth refs who stick to the letter of the law all the time. If this happened we would be having red cards all over the show for second bookable offences rather than refs using their common sense and not ruining games. Take heated starts to derbies for example.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I really can't see why common sense and consistency cant go together. Isn't common sense something that is meant to be consistently the same in most people hence being called 'common sense'? Otherwise it's an opinion and not common sense (if you get what I'm saying).

Maybe in theory, but it will never be the same in two different people.

 

[Acker79]

I really can't see why common sense and consistency cant go together. Isn't common sense something that is meant to be consistently the same in most people hence being called 'common sense'? Otherwise it's an opinion and not common sense (if you get what I'm saying).

I for one don't want jobsworth refs who stick to the letter of the law all the time. If this happened we would be having red cards all over the show for second bookable offences rather than refs using their common sense and not ruining games. Take heated starts to derbies for example.

Because common sense would say have a little bit more leniency in derby matches. Thus decisions given in derbies are not consistent with decisions given in non-derbies. Because common sense says don't book the guy already on a yellow for taking his shirt off celebrating a goal, but when someone not already in the book gets yellow carded for the same infringement. Common sense says you interpret the rule one way in one game, for one player, and another for a different player or in a different game, that's why they can't or can rarely co-exist.


"Common" doesn't mean ubiquitous, it doesn't mean everyone will think the same, it just means regularly occurring. There will still be disagreements on what is the sensible option. Six people out of 10 thinking something is the sensible decision could make it "the common sense approach", there will still be four who think something else is sensible.


People go on about the ref using common sense, while ignoring Common sense would dictate you don't kick a ball that has been placed on the spot identified by the ref and deliberately placed there if someone else is going to take the free kick. But that apparently didn't occur to Turner (assuming he didn't just miss hit his pass trying to be cute). Why no criticism of his lack of common sense?

When most people talk about common sense in football what they mean is "be lenient towards players I like" (e.g. fans, managers, players want common sense for their team, but the rules applied to opponents). When Andy Grey talks about how refs should use common sense he usually means "make the opposite decision to whatever the ref made"


On here and throughout the media there are differing opinions on the rights and wrongs of this situation, given that, can we really there is one common sense approach?

 

[Spun Cuppa]

I remember starting an FA coaching course about 15 years ago, and the guy taking it, who had played semi-professionally but had to retire due to injury, told us that 'an advantage had to accrue from the taking of a free-kick', which I'd never heard before tbh, having seen loads of botched free-kicks giving the oppo the advantage, so perhaps there are grounds for indignation from SB