Steve Bruce will be next manager of MU

[glasfryn]

how do I know because he did and is still whinging about the first Liverpool goal.
getting in training or what
Oh and by the way I do think it was a perfectly legal goal the bloke who took the free kick was at fault.


having said that he was a good player(Steve Bruce)

 

[beorhthelm]

definatly took the free kick, it was clearly where the incident occured.

 

[SpidersLegs]

What goes around comes around. Has he forgotten the beachball goal last year? Every team has a bit of outrageous luck from time to time. This was pay back time. Credit to Torres & Kyut for being alert to the situation. Saying that tho I would've have been livid if it happened to us.

 

[Sheebo]

Yes legally the free kick was taken but Dawson was clearly leaving the kick to the keeper. He didn't even pass it normally he back heeled it. Common sense should have prevailed and the ref should've blown straight away as 99% of refs would have done there. Do officials now want players to carry the ball over and put it on the spot every time? Bruce had every reason to be fuming. If all refs acted like that there would be so many 'has he taken it has he not incidents.'

If the ball had rolled further on to say 2 yards outside the pen area and the keeper had picked it up, would Liverpool be screaming handball? No they wouldn't - that's the point.

 

[beorhthelm]

Do officials now want players to carry the ball over and put it on the spot every time?

on what spot? it was already were the foul occured?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Sheebo, it was Turner.

I like Steve Bruce. But I'd hate to see him get the Man Utd job.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Yes legally the free kick was taken but Dawson was clearly leaving the kick to the keeper. He didn't even pass it normally he back heeled it. Common sense should have prevailed and the ref should've blown straight away as 99% of refs would have done there. Do officials now want players to carry the ball over and put it on the spot every time? Bruce had every reason to be fuming. If all refs acted like that there would be so many 'has he taken it has he not incidents.'

If the ball had rolled further on to say 2 yards outside the pen area and the keeper had picked it up, would Liverpool be screaming handball? No they wouldn't - that's the point.

If the ball hadn't been in the correct spot I might agree, but Turner played the ball exactly from where the ref had indicated, so no problem Torres just took advantage of the situation - not unlike George Parris did for us all those years ago.

It was interesting to see that evryone on Goals on Sunday thought it was fine - and Kamara is usually the first to pull up refs for mistakes.

 

[Acker79]

Yes legally the free kick was taken but Dawson was clearly leaving the kick to the keeper. He didn't even pass it normally he back heeled it. Common sense should have prevailed and the ref should've blown straight away as 99% of refs would have done there. Do officials now want players to carry the ball over and put it on the spot every time? Bruce had every reason to be fuming.

You appear unaware that the ball was on the spot it was supposed to be taken from. It didn't need to be moved and if the keeper was to take it he should have come to the ball.

They showed this on soccer extra this morning. The foul occurred, sunderland tried to take a quick free kick, but the ref wasn't happy with the position, he pointed to the spot of the foul, Turner put the ball there and stopped it on the exact spot it was suppoed to be taken from and the ref then moved away, everyone moved away except Turner, who stood there poised to take it. He then kicked it.

If the keeper was supposed to take it turner should have just walked away, as he knew the ball was in the right place, he put it there at the behest of the referee.

It is entirely Turner's fault and Bruce should be angry with him.

 

[Icy Gull]

Who cares whether it was right or wrong to let the goal stand, it was really funny

Steve Bruce is nowhere near high profile enough for the United job, it'll go to another foreigner.

 

[alan partridge]

In the sphere of football I can think of fewer people I dislike more than the whinging f***ing hypocrite that is Steve Bruce.

That is all.

 

[Northstander]

David Moyes is the prefered option, although could be subject to change this year with the way Everton has started!

 

[Gully]

In the sphere of football I can think of fewer people I dislike more than the whinging f***ing hypocrite that is Steve Bruce.

That is all.

Ron Atkinson
Thierry Henry
Frank Lampard
John Terry
Dennis Wise
Didier Drogba

...all people involved in football for whom I have a far greater disliking than Steve Bruce.

 

[Sheebo]

You appear unaware that the ball was on the spot it was supposed to be taken from. It didn't need to be moved and if the keeper was to take it he should have come to the ball.

They showed this on soccer extra this morning. The foul occurred, sunderland tried to take a quick free kick, but the ref wasn't happy with the position, he pointed to the spot of the foul, Turner put the ball there and stopped it on the exact spot it was suppoed to be taken from and the ref then moved away, everyone moved away except Turner, who stood there poised to take it. He then kicked it.

If the keeper was supposed to take it turner should have just walked away, as he knew the ball was in the right place, he put it there at the behest of the referee.

It is entirely Turner's fault and Bruce should be angry with him.

OK In that case I mean - should the player have to THROW the ball to the keeper for him to come and take the kick? This happens all the time - he just gave it a little tiny backheel to the keeper and was clearly not taking the kick. I don't need Sky Sports pundits to make my mind up for me too - on MOTD i'm pretty sure they said it was harsh on that note.

Also with a free kick in your own half there isn't exactly a set spot to take it from is there - refs will often allow a couple of metres either way - it doesn't have to be the exact blade of grass. Sorry but things like this happen at all levels of football. Also it's almost a human / footballers instinct to touch a ball if it's at ur feet - hence the back heel and he didn't 'just leave it'. I know that sounds a bit silly but that is a fact - I don't want to sound arrogant and say about the difference of opinion between those that play the game and those that never have / don't but I do feel sometimes this is the basis for some peoples opinions.

 

[Simster]

In the sphere of football I can think of fewer people I dislike more than the whinging f***ing hypocrite that is Steve Bruce.

That is all.

Yes, although he did shit on Palace, so he's not all bad.

 

[Sheebo]

You appear unaware that the ball was on the spot it was supposed to be taken from. It didn't need to be moved and if the keeper was to take it he should have come to the ball.

They showed this on soccer extra this morning. The foul occurred, sunderland tried to take a quick free kick, but the ref wasn't happy with the position, he pointed to the spot of the foul, Turner put the ball there and stopped it on the exact spot it was suppoed to be taken from and the ref then moved away, everyone moved away except Turner, who stood there poised to take it. He then kicked it.

If the keeper was supposed to take it turner should have just walked away, as he knew the ball was in the right place, he put it there at the behest of the referee.

It is entirely Turner's fault and Bruce should be angry with him.

Having re-read ur second paragraph i understand exactly what you are saying but it is harsh and no commen sense was being shown by the ref which is THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF REFEREEING - AND THAT IS 100% FACT! It was clear he wasn't meaning to take the kick therefore the ref should've blown and used his nugget. As i said the goal scored wasn't out of the technical rules there's no doubting that I agree. But it was clear he wasn't taking the kick.

 

[Acker79]

Having re-read ur second paragraph i understand exactly what you are saying but it is harsh and no commen sense was being shown by the ref which is THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF REFEREEING - AND THAT IS 100% FACT! It was clear he wasn't meaning to take the kick therefore the ref should've blown and used his nugget. As i said the goal scored wasn't out of the technical rules there's no doubting that I agree. But it was clear he wasn't taking the kick.

Being pedantic for a moment, I don't believe 'common sense' is anywhere in the laws of the game or the Interpretation of the Laws of the Game and Guidelines for Referees, So it's not exactly fact

What it is is one half of the contradictory things everyone says they want from refereeing. The other is a desire for consistency, and we all know, but when criticising refs ignore, you can't have both common sense and consistency.

This incident isn't a matter of lacking common sense, imo.

Turner had identified himself as the taker of the free kick when he tried to take it initially, then placed it in the correct spot, then stayed there when everyone walked away. It isn't unreasonable in that situation to assume he is the free kick taker and has mis-kicked the ball, or misjudged how close his team mate was (as is known to happen with free kicks).

(I'm not arguing this because the sky sports pundits say so, I mentioned sky sports because that is where I saw the incident)

 

[Everest]

THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF REFEREEING - is to apply the laws

Ball on spot where foul occurred
Ball stationary
Ball kicked
Ball moves
Ball in play

100% FACT

 

[Sheebo]

Being pedantic for a moment, I don't believe 'common sense' is anywhere in the laws of the game or the Interpretation of the Laws of the Game and Guidelines for Referees, So it's not exactly fact

What it is is one half of the contradictory things everyone says they want from refereeing. The other is a desire for consistency, and we all know, but when criticising refs ignore, you can't have both common sense and consistency.

This incident isn't a matter of lacking common sense, imo.

Turner had identified himself as the taker of the free kick when he tried to take it initially, then placed it in the correct spot, then stayed there when everyone walked away. It isn't unreasonable in that situation to assume he is the free kick taker and has mis-kicked the ball, or misjudged how close his team mate was (as is known to happen with free kicks).

(I'm not arguing this because the sky sports pundits say so, I mentioned sky sports because that is where I saw the incident)

THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF REFEREEING - is to apply the laws

Ball on spot where foul occurred
Ball stationary
Ball kicked
Ball moves
Ball in play

100% FACT

The 18th (I think) and most important rule of refereeing is commen sense. That's what they teach u when u qualify... It's in the exam etc...

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Interesting that everyone's having a go at Bruce- who should perhaps be looking at his own dopey player- yet Uncle Roy was just as moody about the officials when talking about Liverpool's performance.

It's a shame, as I normally think he's very fair, but he was complaining that Sunderland's penalty was "compensatory": ie the referee awarded it because he felt guilty about the goal, when in fact it was one of the more blatant handball offences you'd see.

And Steven Gerrard should have been sent off for the elbow to Danny Welbeck's face.

But nobody ever likes to suggest Stevie G might be naughty, do they?

 

[Sheebo]

Being pedantic for a moment, I don't believe 'common sense' is anywhere in the laws of the game or the Interpretation of the Laws of the Game and Guidelines for Referees, So it's not exactly fact

What it is is one half of the contradictory things everyone says they want from refereeing. The other is a desire for consistency, and we all know, but when criticising refs ignore, you can't have both common sense and consistency.

This incident isn't a matter of lacking common sense, imo.

Turner had identified himself as the taker of the free kick when he tried to take it initially, then placed it in the correct spot, then stayed there when everyone walked away. It isn't unreasonable in that situation to assume he is the free kick taker and has mis-kicked the ball, or misjudged how close his team mate was (as is known to happen with free kicks).

(I'm not arguing this because the sky sports pundits say so, I mentioned sky sports because that is where I saw the incident)

I disagree but never mind... (you are allowed to change the taker of a free kick - the initial free kick that he took had no bearing on the actual free kick - it's not a basketball free throw - you don't have to nominate a kicker obviously...)

PS - As pointed out on MOTD, the ref wasn't even LOOKING at the kick!!! Which makes it even worse. And as Bruce said he went to blow the whistle about 3 times! The fact is, the game was at Anfield. If that had been the other way round i'm pretty sure the ref would have acted a lot differently! Bruce was right IMO