Staffs / Pitbulls / Dobermans etc

[gullshark]

Anyone who would happily leave a toddler with one of these dogs wants their head examined. In my opinion, like.

Anyone leaving ANY dog with a toddler needs their head examined.

The media are more likely to report on bull terriers attacking people cause pure and simple they have the reputation.

 

[algie]

I'm sure there are plenty of Staffs who are, on the whole, perfectly lovable creatures, and loads of people attest to this. "He wouldn't hurt a fly" etc, followed by the apparentl bewilderment when it snaps and rips someone to shreds. They do seem to be a breed that are often involved in the type of incidents we've had once again here.

I've never once heard of a Labrador eating someones face. Or a Collie going nuts and mauling a toddler to death. But a Staff ?

Of course you can blame the owners, and to an extent its probably largely true. But there are certain breeds which seem to have an inherent malevolence within them - how close to the surface that violence lurks will be dictated to how it was brought up and looked after.

Anyone who would happily leave a toddler with one of these dogs wants their head examined. In my opinion, like.

My mother left her Staffy around my sisters two small children frequently.Never ever signs of trouble even around food.
Have you ever owned a dog before Easy? I'm sure you haven't.

 

[Easy 10]

Anyone leaving ANY dog with a toddler needs their head examined.

The media are more likely to report on bull terriers attacking people cause pure and simple they have the reputation.

If someone is attacked by a dog, particularly a toddler, the media would report it. I can't believe they'd ignore a story like that, depending on what breed had been eating someones face.

Whenever it happens, its entirely predictable what breed will be involved. And I'd agree, leaving a toddler with any breed of dog is a bit "iffy". Its an unpredictable animal with jaws and sharp teeth that can 'turn' for whatever reason - and it only has to happen once.

 

[bhaexpress]

My mother has a Staffy.Super freindly dog around kids and adults. They do have a reputation of not getting on with other dogs.
Great family dog in my opinion.

The last two who've met Chloe the Beast were rather scared of her. Okay she's quite a large dog but a very friendly one. The reason any dog doesn't get on with other dogs is usually because they are not allowed to socialise with other dogs, especially when they're young.

 

[Napper]

My mother left her Staffy around my sisters two small children frequently.Never ever signs of trouble even around food.
Have you ever owned a dog before Easy? I'm sure you haven't.

Not even her children. That is unbelievable mate.

Failures on so many levels there

Glad nothing happened though.

Not worth the risk for what you would have to live with for the rest of your life IMO

Bit like living in a street of paedo's and saying , I let my kids play in the front garden while I went shopping.....and there was never a problem

You just wouldnt would ya !

 

[gullshark]

If someone is attacked by a dog, particularly a toddler, the media would report it. I can't believe they'd ignore a story like that, depending on what breed had been eating someones face.

Whenever it happens, its entirely predictable what breed will be involved. And I'd agree, leaving a toddler with any breed of dog is a bit "iffy". Its an unpredictable animal with jaws and sharp teeth that can 'turn' for whatever reason - and it only has to happen once.

Before the chav got hold of staffies they were known as the 'Nanny Dog' and not for no reason, they may look the part but deep down they are very loyal and very loving twards children (pit bull terriers in general don't like children).

I really have trouble believing the staffy just went for her as she was sleeping...

 

[Hotchilidog]

Not even close. Owners need culling, not the dogs. The worst bite I ever got was from a horse, but I don't demand they all get turned into glue and salami. Not even US's betting tips and I am sure they are responsible for more misery than all the "devil dogs" put together.

We are getting an Bull Terrier. My mate has one and the only damage it has done is to break his nose because he blew on her back and she spun round trying to see where the breeze was coming from...

This. Owners are the problem not the dogs.

 

[Easy 10]

My mother left her Staffy around my sisters two small children frequently.Never ever signs of trouble even around food.
Have you ever owned a dog before Easy? I'm sure you haven't.

No you're right, I havn't ever owned a dog.

And I know this thread will be backed up with innumerable reports of soppy dogs who lived peaceful, happy lives around small children and never once gave so much as a hint of turning on them.

BUT - unfortunately, from time to time and for seemingly random reasons, or no reason at all, it does happen. Basically, I'd never put my complete trust in a dumb animals judgement when it comes to children, no matter HOW soppy and affectionate it was.

It only takes a second, and it only has to happen once.

 

[algie]

If someone is attacked by a dog, particularly a toddler, the media would report it. I can't believe they'd ignore a story like that, depending on what breed had been eating someones face.

Whenever it happens, its entirely predictable what breed will be involved. And I'd agree, leaving a toddler with any breed of dog is a bit "iffy". Its an unpredictable animal with jaws and sharp teeth that can 'turn' for whatever reason - and it only has to happen once.

Well i grew up with dogs and haven't yet witnessed any of my dogs suddenly turning.The list includes

German Shepperds,Boxers,rottweiler,Staffs,Labs and can cross breeds.

The only dog which was funny towards others was the Boxer.He hated people in uniforms and black people for some strange reason.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

My Whippet has been attacked 3 times by 3 different Staffys and he's only 10 months old.

Thank f*** he knows how to take flight when in danger.

None of these dogs has chav like owners, one was a middle aged lady, one was a family with 2 kids and one was a nice kid who was extremely apologetic.

Not a fan of them to be honest, Always keep an eye on them when I see one.

 

[the hitman]

and black people for some strange reason.

alot of dogs are like that

 

[algie]

The last two who've met Chloe the Beast were rather scared of her. Okay she's quite a large dog but a very friendly one. The reason any dog doesn't get on with other dogs is usually because they are not allowed to socialise with other dogs, especially when they're young.

Sorry have to disagree with that.Staffs generallly don't like other dogs more then other breeds unless raised with another dog.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The problem with dogs like pit terrier breeds is that as people say, they are ok with people on the whole.

But, with other dogs they are not to be trusted and are always in the top 3 dogs for attacks on other animals.

 

[daveinprague]

In my local bar, ive seen 14 dogs in one spectacular evening, ranging from Jack Russels, setters, pit terriers up to a great Dane..(was first week I used to bar and thought thursdays must be dog day or something) they just played.
Youre always going to have one turn mental, same as every other being, but I genuinly think people raise their dogs differently on mainland Europe, as you just dont hear these stories with the regularlity that you do in UK, it does happen of course, but just doesnt seem to be as much as in the uk where they seem to be an extension of the owners ego...ie my dogs hard, so i must be...ive also noticed in UK chavs, beating the crap out of their young dogs (training?) for trivial reasons.

 

[bhaexpress]

Anyone leaving ANY dog with a toddler needs their head examined.

The media are more likely to report on bull terriers attacking people cause pure and simple they have the reputation.

Agreed, you should never leave any small child alone with a pet, for the pet's benefit as much as the child's. Thing about 'Terriers' is that they come in all shapes and sizes. A Bull Terrier is not an aggressive breed and one of the most distinctive looking of all breeds. A Staff is not usually aggressive unless it's been trained that way.

However a Pit Bull is not to be trusted under any circumstances and in fact they tend to be owned by sad inadequates who need one to bolster their sorry egos. Frankly it's very rare for a woman to own one and in truth there's no justification for breeding let alone owning one. It's one animal that should become extinct.

 

[bhaexpress]

Sorry have to disagree with that.Staffs generallly don't like other dogs more then other breeds unless raised with another dog.

Funny that, never had a problem with a Staff with any dog I've owned.

 

[Manny]

I think the problem is that most of the breeds that commit these attacks tend to be very protective (sometimes to the point of obsessive). The problem comes when their owner doesn't recognise this and fails to train the dog properly.... not all staffs/pit bulls etc are aggressive dogs but are far more likely to attack than other breeds. Main problem is that people think they are far better dog owners than they actually are. They fail to see that dogs are a pack animal and need to interact with people/other dogs and learn their place in the pecking order.

I would never trust one with my kids.... how many timve we heard it? "I just dont know why the dog did it, Molly the family bull terrier has always been so good with kids, i just dont know why she turned?" Just not worth the risk.

 

[User removed 4]

I'm sure there are plenty of Staffs who are, on the whole, perfectly lovable creatures, and loads of people attest to this. "He wouldn't hurt a fly" etc, followed by the apparent complete bewilderment when one day it snaps and rips someone to shreds. They do seem to be a breed that are often involved in the type of incidents we've had once again here.

I've never once heard of a Labrador eating someones face. Or a Collie going nuts and mauling a toddler to death. But a Staff ?

Of course you can blame the owners, and to an extent its probably largely true. But there are certain breeds which seem to have an inherent malevolence within them - how close to the surface that violence lurks will be dictated to how it was brought up and looked after. But some of them are clearly ticking timebombs.

Anyone who would happily leave a toddler with one of these dogs wants their head examined. In my opinion, like.

good post, no doubt all breeds are capable of attack, but labradors/spaniels etc dont have the bite power of a staf/pitbull/rottweiler, consequently they do substantially more damage when they do turn.

 

[bhaexpress]

good post, no doubt all breeds are capable of attack, but labradors/spaniels etc dont have the bite power of a staf/pitbull/rottweiler, consequently they do substantially more damage when they do turn.

There's no doubt that some breeds are more likely to attack because they were originally bred as fighting dogs, with Terriers it varies from rats to dirty great bulls and bears. Alsations are sheep dogs and they were expected to fight off any animal attacking a flock as were Collies (who can be vicious with other dogs). Rottweillers were originally bred to pull carts, usually milk carts however thanks to the fact that they needed a lot of strength they became very handy as guard dogs, their size and build being intimidating. Dobermans were actually bred to be guard dogs as were a number of other breeds. However, it's very foolish to leave any child alone with any dog bigger than a chihuahua.

 

[clapham_gull]

Isn't it generally the case that no breed of dog is likely to bite than any other.

However, some dogs bites are a whole lot worse than others if the owner decides to train the dog to behave like that.

It's a difficult one to legislate because you would need to apply a stupidity test to every potential dog owner.