[News] Sport faces end of gambling cash in biggest crisis since tobacco ban

[Hamilton]

Let’s at least start with fixed odds gambling businesses. They are the very worst.


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[father_and_son]

Gambling, I think, is a mug’s game. That said, it should be a free choice. If people get into debt over it, that’s up to them. The government shouldn’t be their nanny. Part of being an adult is to take personal responsibility.

Absolutely dickish response. Have you no empathy or understanding for people with addictions. It's a compulsive need for the serotonin buzz that comes from winning. It's not a choice it's an addiction.

How about being less of a CJTC on a public forum? Or is that your addiction?

 

[RossyG]

Absolutely dickish response. Have you no empathy or understanding for people with addictions. It's a compulsive need for the serotonin buzz that comes from winning. It's not a choice it's an addiction.

How about being less of a CJTC on a public forum? Or is that your addiction?

My addiction is sweets and fizzy drinks. It’s not up to the government to stop me eating or drinking them and I’m not going to sue Cadbury’s or Coca Cola or Tesco. I don’t want confectionary adverts banned either. It’s an issue only I can address. It’s completely my responsibility.

What does CJTC mean?

 

[vegster]

But then you look at horse racing - a multi million pound sport / industry that exists purely for betting. If one day betting were outlawed would anybody be bothered about the result?

Never understood all the hype about Horse racing, I will correct you, it IS a business rather than a sport and exists solely to extract money from people in one way or another. If it stopped tomorrow, would it actually be missed ? Huge numbers of horses are bred and destroyed if they are not good enough so if it went i'd not shed a tear.

 

[willalbion]

But then you look at horse racing - a multi million pound sport / industry that exists purely for betting. If one day betting were outlawed would anybody be bothered about the result?

Betting will never be outlawed, advertising betting however could and should be banned.

 

[Whitechapel]

Let’s at least start with fixed odds gambling businesses. They are the very worst.


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They’ve already been destroyed in shops. £2 limit per spin.

Which; imo at least, is tackling the problem in the entirely wrong way.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Never understood all the hype about Horse racing, I will correct you, it IS a business rather than a sport and exists solely to extract money from people in one way or another. If it stopped tomorrow, would it actually be missed ? Huge numbers of horses are bred and destroyed if they are not good enough so if it went i'd not shed a tear.

Got any numbers? Most horses that aren't good enough to race can still be used for riding or eventing.

And if you honestly think that racehorse owners are in it for the money they take out - you really haven't been paying attention! A racehorse, it has been said, is a machine that eats ten pound notes at one end and drops manure at the other. (They may have used another word for "manure".)

 

[herecomesaregular]

Football is watched by huge numbers of children and betting is being promoted to them on shirts, at the side of the pitch and many, many tv adverts. Betting is not a children's activity.

I actually enjoy it at a sensible level (although I've had to learn that through a few mistakes tbf) and well on top with the bookies on my ledger. Noted that some adults cannot do this and how they should be protected is another debate.

However, it should be about the level of betting advertised (mostly, "as a laugh") at kids.

 

[father_and_son]

My addiction is sweets and fizzy drinks. It’s not up to the government to stop me eating or drinking them and I’m not going to sue Cadbury’s or Coca Cola or Tesco. I don’t want confectionary adverts banned either. It’s an issue only I can address. It’s completely my responsibility.

What does CJTC mean?

Google is an amazing thing. Here, let me do it for you...https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CJTC&amp=true

And if you are going to compare eating sweets to gambling then you seriously need to give your head a wobble.

 

[herecomesaregular]

My addiction is sweets and fizzy drinks. It’s not up to the government to stop me eating or drinking them and I’m not going to sue Cadbury’s or Coca Cola or Tesco. I don’t want confectionary adverts banned either. It’s an issue only I can address. It’s completely my responsibility.

What does CJTC mean?

You're quite right, sugar is extremely addictive to your brain. Not dissimilar to class A drugs actually. Not dissimilar to the brain's reaction to betting either. Some people can have a bit of all three and walk away and be fine. For some people, they struggle and things get out of hand.

 

[vegster]

Got any numbers? Most horses that aren't good enough to race can still be used for riding or eventing.

And if you honestly think that racehorse owners are in it for the money they take out - you really haven't been paying attention! A racehorse, it has been said, is a machine that eats ten pound notes at one end and drops manure at the other. (They may have used another word for "manure".)

Oh dear, I said that horse racing was a business. Numbers you say ? ok, here we go..... Owners are usually quite rich and as such its their bit of fun, yes, most owned horses lose money as their stabling and training fees are usually much more than they win in prize money.

As for horses not good enough to race being used for riding or eventing, trust me horses for racing are bred for two things, sprinting or staying, that's the only two factors in breeders minds, consequently many racehorses have absolutely terrible mental problems that mean they can only be ridden by professionals. A school pal of mine was a stable boy who used to " ride out " many of the horses at Ryan Prices's stables in Findon, many of the horses were utter nightmares, he said one used to try to bite him while in the saddle on the Gallops while they were running ! plenty of others would kick and bite the moment you got in to range. So, not mentally sound for riding or trekking or a gymkhana horse for a 10 year old girl.

The Trainers make some money, the jockeys a small amount and the stable lads get a pittance, the big money is made by the bookies. However, should you have a horse that can win a few races you might get a decent fee for covering or breeding if you are lucky..... it's all a world away from the chef in a Chinese restaurant spaffing his days wages on the 5.15 at Doncaster.

 

[RossyG]

Google is an amazing thing. Here, let me do it for you...https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CJTC&amp=true

And if you are going to compare eating sweets to gambling then you seriously need to give your head a wobble.

I Binged it and got Criminal Justice Training Commission. I obviously should’ve deactivated the safe search setting to find out what you meant.

And chocolate releases endorphins and is therefore addictive.

 

[vagabond]

I Binged it and got Criminal Justice Training Commission. I obviously should’ve deactivated the safe search setting to find out what you meant.

And chocolate releases endorphins and is therefore addictive.

I think the point he’s making is that binging on chocolates due to sugar addiction isn’t as destructive to yourself or your loved ones as gambling addiction can be.

 

[RossyG]

I think the point he’s making is that binging on chocolates due to sugar addiction isn’t as destructive to yourself or your loved ones as gambling addiction can be.

Morbid obesity can be very dangerous, though.

 

[Creaky]

Got any numbers? Most horses that aren't good enough to race can still be used for riding or eventing.

Have a read - it’s not just horses bred for racing that suffer but also those bred for eventing, hunting and jumping.

https://www.animalaid.org.uk/the-issues/our-campaigns/horse-racing/bred-to-death/

 

[vegster]

Have a read - it’s not just horses bred for racing that suffer but also those bred for eventing, hunting and jumping.

https://www.animalaid.org.uk/the-issues/our-campaigns/horse-racing/bred-to-death/

Thanks Creaky, that's put that particular question to bed!

 

[Garage_Doors]

Google is an amazing thing. Here, let me do it for you...https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CJTC&amp=true

And if you are going to compare eating sweets to gambling then you seriously need to give your head a wobble.

He didn't compare the two, you asked what his addiction was.

 

[tigertim68]

Oh dear, I said that horse racing was a business. Numbers you say ? ok, here we go..... Owners are usually quite rich and as such its their bit of fun, yes, most owned horses lose money as their stabling and training fees are usually much more than they win in prize money.

As for horses not good enough to race being used for riding or eventing, trust me horses for racing are bred for two things, sprinting or staying, that's the only two factors in breeders minds, consequently many racehorses have absolutely terrible mental problems that mean they can only be ridden by professionals. A school pal of mine was a stable boy who used to " ride out " many of the horses at Ryan Prices's stables in Findon, many of the horses were utter nightmares, he said one used to try to bite him while in the saddle on the Gallops while they were running ! plenty of others would kick and bite the moment you got in to range. So, not mentally sound for riding or trekking or a gymkhana horse for a 10 year old girl.

The Trainers make some money, the jockeys a small amount and the stable lads get a pittance, the big money is made by the bookies. However, should you have a horse that can win a few races you might get a decent fee for covering or breeding if you are lucky..... it's all a world away from the chef in a Chinese restaurant spaffing his days wages on the 5.15 at Doncaster.

Jockeys make a good living , depending on how many races they ride , they can earn £5000 a week

 

[Binney on acid]

About bloody time ! I'd like to take a harpoon gun to that obese b*****d who advertises bet365.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Have a read - it’s not just horses bred for racing that suffer but also those bred for eventing, hunting and jumping.

https://www.animalaid.org.uk/the-issues/our-campaigns/horse-racing/bred-to-death/

How does it compare with the number of animals that die in beef cattle farming?

I've only been round two stud farms. Neither of them compared to the ones in the article. I've never seen them "in the act", though I understand it's pretty fierce and fearsome.