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[Football] Southgate Stays
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JamesAndTheGiantHead
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He could actually win something if someone let him know you’re allowed to make substitutions before the 85th minute.
Should have killed the game when we were 1 - 0 up against Italy in the Euro final with some fresh legs, but he seems to think subs are just for injuries.
The players seem to enjoy playing for him though and we’ve done better in recent tournaments than we have done in my lifetime, so can’t slate the bloke too much.
Last roll of the dice for him, mind.
Should have killed the game when we were 1 - 0 up against Italy in the Euro final with some fresh legs, but he seems to think subs are just for injuries.
The players seem to enjoy playing for him though and we’ve done better in recent tournaments than we have done in my lifetime, so can’t slate the bloke too much.
Last roll of the dice for him, mind.
His tactical failings a) didn't cost us this WC and b) have helped get us further than any other manager since 66.
Well that is a pretty big plus.
Guessing Ben White won't be too pleased.
Bad news for him and bad news for England. Southgate is out of his depth when the pressure is on.
Bad news for him and bad news for England. Southgate is out of his depth when the pressure is on.
1066familyman
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- Jan 15, 2008
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Glad you mention CH, as that sets up the point I've continually made about Southgate.
I wouldn't want Southgate anywhere near the Albion. Dull and boring, week in week out? No thanks!
CH fulfilled his Albion remit by getting us up in the Prem and just about keeping us there. Watching that brand of football every week though was too much for TB, thankfully, as it was boring me silly. Time to move on, and in Potter we got an upgrade, and in RDZ is looking like we have exciting times ahead.
International football is totally different to chin level. All I want from an England manager is someone who knows how to play tournament football and put us consistently within spitting distance of winning a trophy. Southgate does that, and I believe may even deliver us a trophy, come the Euros. Tell me honestly if Deschamps had Southgate on toast in this tournament.
He also makes all the right noises publicly and I like the togetherness he brings to the squad. The young players, of varying backgrounds, clearly like him. I happen to like what I see of him too.
Maybe a manager like Tommy Tuchel might bring instant success, with his better tactical and game management nous, but at what cost? He falls out with everyone wherever he goes and, at least in post match interviews, comes across as a not very nice individual. So it's a No from me for him as an alternative. As for other suggestions... Gerrard or Lampard?
. I'll end it there I think.
1066familyman
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Personally I'd rather a rule come in that requires all managers to qualify based on their nationality in the same way players have to ( granted, that gets a bit frayed around the edges these days).
So refreshing to see all the African nations managed by one of their own at this WC, rather than shipped in Europeans on a international managerial merry go round, stifling developing local coaching talent.
I've thought the same thing... but then disagreed with myself. I think a foreign NT coach is essential to pushing nations to a decent level if they don't have a particularly good football culture. Most successful African nations today were early to appoint foreign managers (or had 'access' to free experience through colonialism), same goes for Asia and further back in the past also in Europe.
Maybe some kind of rule like "if you've qualified to the WC in the past, you're not allowed to appoint another foreign manager" or something in that manner. But right now several teams in Africa and Asia still need foreign managers if they want to improve their football.
1066familyman
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Fair point, well made.
Solid at the back
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Horrified by this dreadful news. Another couple of years of not watching our glorious national team.
Colonialism? Our colonies all went full on for cricket, not football!
I want the best man for the job irrespective of nationality. Southgate has a fantastic squad but fails at each serious hurdle and his game management is appalling.
He's there just because he's good in front of a camera and that suits the FA.
He's there just because he's good in front of a camera and that suits the FA.
Yes, yet some of you say you didn't cause any damage...
Southgate continuing? 
Never been a fan, but he's done OK. Just OK. I've got a feeling (not shared by many, I suspect, but that's their privelege) that Stevie G. might be better suited to an international role rather than club management. Unemployed at the moment - good opportunity to bring him on board in a junior assistant manager role.
Never been a fan, but he's done OK. Just OK. I've got a feeling (not shared by many, I suspect, but that's their privelege) that Stevie G. might be better suited to an international role rather than club management. Unemployed at the moment - good opportunity to bring him on board in a junior assistant manager role.
As far as sport is concerned? No, cricket is great. I realise that it's too complex for persons of a Swedish disposition! How's taking over the world with softball going?
Justice
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The talent at his disposal that never gets a game is criminal Trent wanting to retire from international football until Southgate goes says it all, BW will join him.
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Very well if annual turnover is anything to go by
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IMHO Southgate's taken England as far as he can. He's had 6 years in the job which is considerably longer than the average tenure. Yes, his competition record is reliable (bar an abject Nations League relegation from the top tier), but there's still the question of in-game tactical flexibility in which he's been consistently found wanting.
If he was this uncertain about staying on, it's going to be in all likelihood his last tournament as England manager regardless of success. There's a distinct possibility that his imminent departure in 18 months could transfer itself to the players who'll be thinking beyond that time to the next manager. That would be far from ideal. We don't need anyone coasting here.
As good as Southgate's man-management is, the idea that England couldn't appoint a better tactical manager is ridiculous. Which Premier League chairmen would entrust Southgate with their side? Few, if any. Hypothetical it may be, but would we want Tony Bloom to appoint Southgate at the Albion should the manager's position become available? If not, why not? 'Because he's not good enough' is the first thought that comes to mind. The very best managers have regular success at club level rather than just on the international stage where they might strike lucky with an outstanding crop of players, as Southgate has done with our riches in attacking midfield. England should have the best.
We've had missed opportunities over the last 3 major tournaments. With Southgate staying, it's likely we'll have another.
If he was this uncertain about staying on, it's going to be in all likelihood his last tournament as England manager regardless of success. There's a distinct possibility that his imminent departure in 18 months could transfer itself to the players who'll be thinking beyond that time to the next manager. That would be far from ideal. We don't need anyone coasting here.
As good as Southgate's man-management is, the idea that England couldn't appoint a better tactical manager is ridiculous. Which Premier League chairmen would entrust Southgate with their side? Few, if any. Hypothetical it may be, but would we want Tony Bloom to appoint Southgate at the Albion should the manager's position become available? If not, why not? 'Because he's not good enough' is the first thought that comes to mind. The very best managers have regular success at club level rather than just on the international stage where they might strike lucky with an outstanding crop of players, as Southgate has done with our riches in attacking midfield. England should have the best.
We've had missed opportunities over the last 3 major tournaments. With Southgate staying, it's likely we'll have another.
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Green Cross Code Man
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I would seriously doubt that anyone thinks colonialism made no damage. Just as I seriously doubt anyone thinks independence makes no damage. Anywhere where humans are involved involves damage.
blockhseagull
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Most international managers are crap at club management anyway so that wouldn’t have ruled out Gerrard, Lampard having a shot.
Southgate has done a decent job, however I do feel his player selection has caused a fair few fans to lose a bit of interest in the England side.
Southgate has done a decent job, however I do feel his player selection has caused a fair few fans to lose a bit of interest in the England side.