Southern Rail STRIKE details

[The Large One]

it's an odd dispute as Southern seem to be getting their own way whatever

They would. They're backed by the government, who daren't be seen to 'lose' (i.e. make the railways safer).

 

[Arthur]

Blimey - is this most impotent of industrial action ever still going on?

Does anyone notice any more?

Nope.

Even this thread has run its course.

 

[Springal]

Because no one cares and guess what the trains are running well since it all calmed down!

 

[Ernest]

Still waiting for the Gibb Report to come out which has sat on the shelf since January. It is, apparently, highly damning of GTR and Southern, but truly lays into the DfT. Sadly, it may never see the light of day.

Certainly not whilst they're trying to dupe the sheep into voting Tory

 

[pearl]

Blimey - is this most impotent of industrial action ever still going on?

Does anyone notice any more?

when the drivers stop working overtime again it will be noticed

 

[The Large One]

when the drivers stop working overtime again it will be noticed

People have go so used to the arbitrary breakdowns, signal failures and 'lack of staff' that they now consider it normal. In that sense, the DfT have won a small victory.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Still waiting for the Gibb Report to come out which has sat on the shelf since January. It is, apparently, highly damning of GTR and Southern, but truly lays into the DfT. Sadly, it may never see the light of day.

The report will doubtless see the light of day after the election, when there's no votes at stake. That's not the problem. The problem is that nobody charged with making the trains run smoothly for the greater benefit of the community and the economy will have the slightest interest in acting on any proposals it may contain. The travelling public has been hung out to dry on this one, and that's not going to change under the current cosy arrangement. The Transport Select Committee appears powerless to make any of these people answerable to the electorate. Best chance for change would appear to be the crowd-funded Association of British Commuters hauling some of those at the top of the DfT into a court of law to explain their actions. Or rather their inactions. It really is a scandalous state of affairs. Wouldn't happen in Germany. Or just about anywhere else for that matter.

 

[The Large One]

The report will doubtless see the light of day after the election, when there's no votes at stake. That's not the problem. The problem is that nobody charged with making the trains run smoothly for the greater benefit of the community and the economy will have the slightest interest in acting on any proposals it may contain. The travelling public has been hung out to dry on this one, and that's not going to change under the current cosy arrangement. The Transport Select Committee appears powerless to make any of these people answerable to the electorate. Best chance for change would appear to be the crowd-funded Association of British Commuters hauling some of those at the top of the DfT into a court of law to explain their actions. Or rather their inactions. It really is a scandalous state of affairs. Wouldn't happen in Germany. Or just about anywhere else for that matter.

That's exactly what ABC is doing. It's currently still waiting for the High Court to hand down its ruling as to whether the Judicial Review can proceed.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

That's exactly what ABC is doing. It's currently still waiting for the High Court to hand down its ruling as to whether the Judicial Review can proceed.

I know that. You know that. We probably both paid into their funds. Still utterly shocking it should have to come to this, with every single layer of elected and unelected officialdom utterly unable or unwilling to make these c*nts provide the service that they're paid to provide and that form the lifeblood of the entire region.

 

[pearl]

ASLEF suspend overtime ban for more talks

 

[Ernest]

ASLEF suspend overtime ban for more talks

Whilst SASTA say they will now cancel any train that hasn't got an OBS onboard running away from the Brighton mainline, so any services Brighton - Portsmouth/Southampton/Hastings, Three Bridges to Barnham via Horsham, Lewes to Haywards Heath etc will now be cancelled if there isn't the second person on board

 

[Titanic]

...Still waiting for the Gibb Report to come out which has sat on the shelf since January. It is, apparently, highly damning of GTR and Southern, but truly lays into the DfT. Sadly, it may never see the light of day.

Certainly not whilst they're trying to dupe the sheep into voting Tory

It's been out nearly a week... I would have thought you would be all over it...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/southern-rail-network-gibb-report

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...le/619795/chris-gibb-report-southern-rail.pdf

"3.2.3 The Primary Cause of the System Breakdown in 2016
At the time of writing this the RMT and ASLEF leadership, supported currently by their members,
the railway people in conductor and driver grades, are the primary cause for the system integrity
to fail, by taking strike action in their dispute over Driver Only Operation, declining to work
overtime and generally not supporting and undermining the system integrity. Before this formal
action, there were clearly unusually high levels of short-term sickness. The action is obviously
reducing the service to passengers, but also the needs of every other party in the system. If any
other part of the system has a fault, the strike and overtime ban magnifies this many times. No
element of the system is perfect, and it can all improve. But I am convinced by what I have seen
that if the traincrew were to work in the normal manner that they have in previous years, the
output of the system, a safe and reliable rail service for passengers, would be delivered in an
acceptable manner, which would be similar to other commuter rail services in the South East. "

 

[The Large One]

It's been out nearly a week... I would have thought you would be all over it...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/southern-rail-network-gibb-report

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...le/619795/chris-gibb-report-southern-rail.pdf

"3.2.3 The Primary Cause of the System Breakdown in 2016
At the time of writing this the RMT and ASLEF leadership, supported currently by their members,
the railway people in conductor and driver grades, are the primary cause for the system integrity
to fail, by taking strike action in their dispute over Driver Only Operation, declining to work
overtime and generally not supporting and undermining the system integrity. Before this formal
action, there were clearly unusually high levels of short-term sickness. The action is obviously
reducing the service to passengers, but also the needs of every other party in the system. If any
other part of the system has a fault, the strike and overtime ban magnifies this many times. No
element of the system is perfect, and it can all improve. But I am convinced by what I have seen
that if the traincrew were to work in the normal manner that they have in previous years, the
output of the system, a safe and reliable rail service for passengers, would be delivered in an
acceptable manner, which would be similar to other commuter rail services in the South East. "

Interesting you should zero in one thing, which is factually wrong, when the rest of the report is pretty damning of GTR and the DfT. In short, Gibb is criticising the concept of not working overtime. Additionally, he didn't speak to any staff, passengers nor trade union officials in compiling his report - only the train operating company, Network Rail and the DfT. Make of that what you will.

Nice try, but you've missed by a long, long way.

 

[The Large One]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, have some proper (previously buried) news...

https://abcommuters.wordpress.com/2...ongly-advises-keeping-the-guard-on-the-train/

 

[beorhthelm]

Interesting you should zero in one thing...

how silly to zero in on the section titled "The Primary Cause of the System Breakdown in 2016".

I myself would zero in on the early sections, "How did the system get to this point" which list 10 reasons for problems, which we could all stab at half (DOO leading to industrial action, changes to organisations and loss of leadership, increased demand and complex timetabling). interested in the obvserations about trains not departing on time, something ive never quite understand when theres not a problem, doors are shut but stay on the platform for a minute. also noted the off peak capacity is too high and leads to problems in the evening rush hour.

as its 169 pages, is there a suammry with the damnation?

 

[Beach Hut]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, have some proper (previously buried) news...

https://abcommuters.wordpress.com/2...ongly-advises-keeping-the-guard-on-the-train/

I suppose your vocation in life really is a Union Rep as opposed to a Local Radio Host

 

[The Large One]

I suppose your vocation in life really is a Union Rep as opposed to a Local Radio Host

Neither. Silly reply.

 

[The Large One]

how silly to zero in on the section titled "The Primary Cause of the System Breakdown in 2016".

I myself would zero in on the early sections, "How did the system get to this point" which list 10 reasons for problems, which we could all stab at half (DOO leading to industrial action, changes to organisations and loss of leadership, increased demand and complex timetabling). interested in the obvserations about trains not departing on time, something ive never quite understand when theres not a problem, doors are shut but stay on the platform for a minute. also noted the off peak capacity is too high and leads to problems in the evening rush hour.

as its 169 pages, is there a suammry with the damnation?

How can you have a comprehensive view of the railway system if you don't talk to the right people?

The primary cause of disruption started way before the industrial action, so the consideration as a 'primary cause' has no meaning. A secondary, tertiary or majorly contributing, maybe. But, as has been established long ago, the primary cause is the government's desire to destroy the unions, and hence workers' rights, passenger safety and equal access.

 

[beorhthelm]

How can you have a comprehensive view of the railway system if you don't talk to the right people?

The primary cause of disruption started way before the industrial action, so the consideration as a 'primary cause' has no meaning. A secondary, tertiary or majorly contributing, maybe. But, as has been established long ago, the primary cause is the government's desire to destroy the unions, and hence workers' rights, passenger safety and equal access.

sooo, are you saying you dont recognise the findings of the report you were awaiting?

 

[Arthur]

sooo, are you saying you dont recognise the findings of the report you were awaiting?

Sounds that way. It disagreed with his point of view and as he can NEVER be wrong and no one is allowed to have a differing opinion to his he's dismissed it.

Back in the real real world the overtime ban kicks in from the close of play tonight doesn't I believe.