No they didn't, they were asked to prove the figures which they failed to do.
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- Thread starter Ernest
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No they didn't, they were asked to prove the figures which they failed to do.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Yes they did publish them. It's still on their website.
https://www.southernrailway.com/mobile/news/southern-releases-conductor-sickness-figures/
Thats a statement that is no prove. The transport select committee asked to show the prove so far they have not.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
I know who I'm inclined to believe that when it comes to those figures. I'm a commuter and I know only too well how often trains were cancelled due to sickness over that period.
And further proof is Bozza's point that even the union is acknowledging that sickness rates are/were currently higher than when all this clusterf*ck started.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Are they hiding anything about normal seasonal variation ?
Why don't they compare year on year ?
What are the figures for other businesses across the same weeks ?
Without the above answers, those figures are vulnerable to suspicions of SPIN.
Hastings gull
Well-known member
- Nov 23, 2013
- 4,652
How on earth do you prove it? What a silly question to even ask. And for RMT it probably is just as well that a phone call saying you are sick, cannot be accepted as proof of actual sickness, as the guards may well not come out of it too well, unless you are naïve enough to think that just by chance at the time of the heightening of tensions, all of a sudden mass sickness broke out. There is, however, a basic contradiction here, is there not?; I presume that the graph and the info shows how many phoned in to say they were sick, and if you believe that, as RMT does, then you could argue that is indeed proof. If you are now saying that is not proof, then one can assume you think they were lying and that the claim of sickness was politically motivated.
Just pulling out a couple of old posts because I can't be arsed to search for any more...
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
If you read the figures they put it in context with pre-strike. They also state that 1 on 6 called in sick and I think I calculated it as over 3 days sick on average for each employee in a single month. That's abnormal for any business.
We've had all this debate before anyway. Go back and look at the thread for when these figures were published.
Nail. Head.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 72,321
Maybe an interesting new tactic for the union could be to publicly declare a specific working week where every member of staff worked every rest day and took up all offers of overtime. Then monitor the stats. Would give a true picture of just how abysmal this failing franchise is. Tho they'd doubtless just then blame that week on Network Rail.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
No. I'm saying that Southern published sickness rates for a single month. .So what you are saying is that one small period in April when a few guards went off for a few days relating to stress from bullying,has lasted for 8months.
There's no point trying to infer that there were normal levels of sickness in the preceding or following months just because Southern haven't published the figures for those. Even according to the unions it's still been high compared with pre-strike figures.
Peter Grummit
Well-known member
SASTA are now saying there will be service disruption EVERY DAY from the 6th December, whether there is a strike or not. This is an admission that they have insufficient staff and those they do have are entirely demotivated. Recruitment must be impossible. Not that they care as the Government is underwriting their financials.
Whoever you think is to blame for this unholy mess, are we in agreement that it can't continue like this?
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Whoever you think is to blame for this unholy mess, are we in agreement that it can't continue like this?
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Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 72,321
This is the end result of SASTA having zero accountability. They've been progressively pushing the envelope of being rubbish, and nobody has ever slapped them down and forced them to run their franchise in a responsible manner, under pain of incurring hefty fines for non-performance. If they operated as any normal commercial company, they'd have gone into insolvency many months ago. Personally I find by far the most shocking aspect of this whole mess is the complete abdication of responsibility by government. It really is a national scandal.
Yoda
English & European
But SASTA shot themselves in the foot by making guards get a sick note from the start of strike action, which signs them off for 7 days instead of allowing self certs for the odd one here and there. There is where the extra days have come from.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
I fully expect we'll still be in the same situation in December 2017 and onwards until the government finally hang SASTA out to dry.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
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The entire region will be in serious recession by then, as a direct result of government's refusal to intervene.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Lower West Stander
Well-known member
I know - why don't SASTA and the Unions just keep blaming each other.
That way us poor commuters will continue to hate them both equally and won't have to take sides.......
That way us poor commuters will continue to hate them both equally and won't have to take sides.......
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Where SOME of the extra days have come from.
Yes, Southern cocked up here as they have cocked up many things but 1 in 6 conductors had sick leave in May. That's exceptionally high. It's clear that the unions have used sickness as a weapon against Southern and exploited the new rules.