Southern Rail STRIKE details

[Papa Lazarou]

i thought this was grounds for legal challenge, the union havent consulted with the members on the current offer.

Hasn't it been 6 months since the last ballot?

 

[Chicken Run]

Soutern Railway operating at £100 million profit, plus they had a £20 milllion hand out this year so they can afford a few hundred more members of staff.

Wrong!

 

[kingcole]

What an obnoxious prat you are.
So employees should have no protection and have no right to try to protect the LONG TERM future of their jobs.
OK, we'll mechanise everything then no doubt in the future you'll be moaning about all the layabouts who have no employment.

Point 1: Clearly I'm biased but some have told me I'm obnoxious, however never been called a prat.

Point 2: Absolutely Not. Just as the cab driver should not have protection from Uber or Driverless car or as the milkman should not have protection against supermakets selling milk or the insurance man from the Pru should not be protected against Confussed.com. They have the right to do the job they have now and as their role changes, as it will inevitably will in a pro active forward thinking company, they should be prepared to adapt or move on.

Point 2: It's been said before. Steel disappeared and now the North East is doing great in car production. IT has replaced many of the manual industries of yesterday and the country is wealthier and will less unemployment because of it.

My point about being ready for change is paramount. A good number of 'guards' look scruffy and unemployable in most fields and they would do themselves a favour by making them more presentable to the marketplace where at some point they will be seeking alternative employment.

 

[kingcole]

Did you think that out for yourself ?

Just an observation from a normal bloke, who works hard in the real world. Who expects no goodwill other than that I generate for myself.

If my job got crap, I'd move on. The fact you lot don't do that and actually pay a group of people (i use that term lightly) who wear ill fitting suits to argue an unwinnable argument for you is bizarre.

 

[Ernest]

Just an observation from a normal bloke, who works hard in the real world. Who expects no goodwill other than that I generate for myself.

If my job got crap, I'd move on. The fact you lot don't do that and actually pay a group of people (i use that term lightly) who wear ill fitting suits to argue an unwinnable argument for you is bizarre.

I didn't KNOW that STUPIDITY had been LEGALISED in this country

 

[kingcole]

I didn't KNOW that STUPIDITY had been LEGALISED in this country

So many of your posts are really funny, but this one is simply hilarious!

 

[Deadly Danson]

Just an observation from a normal bloke, who works hard in the real world. Who expects no goodwill other than that I generate for myself.

If my job got crap, I'd move on. The fact you lot don't do that and actually pay a group of people (i use that term lightly) who wear ill fitting suits to argue an unwinnable argument for you is bizarre.

I assume you've never benefited from paid holidays, sick leave, wage increases, pensions, job security etc. Despite what I've sometimes quoted on here I don't believe unions can do no wrong and I often disagree with them but these are all rights won to various employees over the years by unions.
And your description of guards in your earlier post was stereotypical, offensive and utterly ridiculous. I assume you'd agree that all football fans are loutish hooligans who'd piss in your garden given the chance?

 

[Napper]

What an obnoxious prat you are.
So employees should have no protection and have no right to try to protect the LONG TERM future of their jobs.
OK, we'll mechanise everything then no doubt in the future you'll be moaning about all the layabouts who have no employment.

No one has a right to guarantee their long term future. Jobs evolve all the time at the drop of a hat and everyone in their life is likely to face change and redundancy. 5 Years security is absolutely pretty fantastic and unheard of in this day and age.

But this is about safety (so we are told) so I think you've missed the point

 

[kingcole]

I assume you've never benefited from paid holidays, sick leave, wage increases, pensions, job security etc. Despite what I've sometimes quoted on here I don't believe unions can do no wrong and I often disagree with them but these are all rights won to various employees over the years by unions.
And your description of guards in your earlier post was stereotypical, offensive and utterly ridiculous. I assume you'd agree that all football fans are loutish hooligans who'd piss in your garden given the chance?

Personally no, but my staff do. Not because of some union, but because if I want to recruit and retain decent staff I need to offer them a decent package. If I cut their pay or reduced their pension then they would probably leave.

I do know that if my staff paid 3% of their salary into their pension instead of to some union then over a working lifetime they might have an additional £650,000 in their pension pot.

I tip my hat and hereby apologies to all clean, polite, well dressed and well spoken 'guards'

Sadly, we remember the bad ones, which is no different to those who have a negative view of 'guards'

 

[Stat Brother]

Just an observation from a normal bloke, who works hard in the real world. Who expects no goodwill other than that I generate for myself.

If my job got crap, I'd move on. The fact you lot don't do that and actually pay a group of people (i use that term lightly) who wear ill fitting suits to argue an unwinnable argument for you is bizarre.

And there speaks a poster who either:-

a - Hasn't needed to read the situations vacant section for a good few years (well done)

or

ii - Is a care assistant.

 

[Deadly Danson]

Personally no, but my staff do. Not because of some union, but because if I want to recruit and retain decent staff I need to offer them a decent package. If I cut their pay or reduced their pension then they would probably leave.

I do know that if my staff paid 3% of their salary into their pension instead of to some union then over a working lifetime they might have an additional £650,000 in their pension pot.

I tip my hat and hereby apologies to all clean, polite, well dressed and well spoken 'guards'

Sadly, we remember the bad ones, which is no different to those who have a negative view of 'guards'

Apology accepted. Just as an aside - most railway people pay into the union (and i think it's pretty expensive to be honest) not just for times like these but far more importantly as an insurance policy in the event of a fatality/accident which the driver/guard could be blamed for, an incident at work which may need specialist lawyers or in helping to solve workplace disputes .i.e if a manager accused me of something that I hadn't done they would fight my corner. It's not just the bombastic "solidarity brother" that we tend to hear of in the press.

 

[kingcole]

And there speaks a poster who either:-

a - Hasn't needed to read the situations vacate section for a good few years (well done)

or

ii - Is a care assistant.

Easy to research, just on this board.......

Having found myself on the sharp end more than once (more like 10), my short history on here has asked many opinions on work. Once I even took a suggestion for a name of a driving school (that didn't work out) and of late have been in a slightly more stable form of self employment, and have actually used paid stickies on this very board to recruit 2 members of staff.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

What an obnoxious prat you are.
So employees should have no protection and have no right to try to protect the LONG TERM future of their jobs.
OK, we'll mechanise everything then no doubt in the future you'll be moaning about all the layabouts who have no employment.

In case you hadn't noticed its been like that in the private sector for over a hundred years.

I would much rather the unions admit they are striking to save jobs instead of the suprious "passenger safety" as guess what OTHER trains are running without you.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

You're being LIED to as there is an agreement in place when a train from London to Brighton can run DOO for occasions like this

Bollox DOO runs all day up and doen the line Thameslink, Southern, Gatwick Express. Sop why couldnt the DOO capaable 5.57 not run. Why does the 7.32 not run. BECAUSE THERE IS NO GUARD. It doesnt really need one lets be honest.

Today I got the 10.05 to LB clearly a DOO and got in on time.

I speak only for Btn to London obviously but the guards are part of the problem not the solution.

 

[Ernest]

Bollox DOO runs all day up and doen the line Thameslink, Southern, Gatwick Express.

Today I got the 10.05 to LB clearly a DOO and got in on time.

I speak only for Btn to London obviously but the guards are part of the problem not the solution.

So why didn't your train run last night without a guard ?

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

I think of all the arguments I keep hearing this is the one that annoys me the most. Guess what - I've been driving cars for 25 years and never needed my seatbelt yet but I still wear it, I fly regularly and have never needed the emergency skills of the cabin crew, I've never needed a lifeboat, a lifeguard at a pool, stewards at the football, etc etc. But we have these safety mechanisms in place for the times that you do need them. You could go the rest of your life without incident on a DOO train or like just this last Sunday, when someone apparently fell down between the train and the platform at Clapham out of view of the driver's crappy monitors on a DOO train and was only spotted by platform staff, you may need that trained guard on your next trip. If that train had been at a unmanned station that could well have been fatal. Or maybe she would have been lucky and another passenger would have spotted her- who knows? DOO isn't intrinsically unsafe but it is definitely LESS safe and why would anyone want to move to a system that is less safe. I can tell you that drivers are resolutely behind the guards.

Well done. FAct remains hundreds of DOO run Btn to London every day. And all round the country. Fine be a luddite. But you know what work in the private sector. You would shit your ****ing pants and so would your "brothers", get in the real world.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Just a thought: are these strikes the most ineffective strikes ever?

A fair-proportion of those who commute to London most days are in desk based jobs which they can easily do from their dining room table, sofa or bed. Many will be delighted to have to work from home on strike days, something they can easily do with their laptop.

Those who do have to commute in on strike days find it all quite easy. There may be reduced capacity, but there's also significantly less demand due to all those working at home, or "working at home".

Precisely.

I got the 10.05 to LB today. Lovely and ON TIME.

I will get the 16.42 home.

Guess what LOVELY DOO. No guards to **** us about. These trains can leave the station NO PROBLEM.

 

[pearl]

How can you sign something you don't know anything about and what the conditions are ? Only STUPID people would do that so you are GUILTY as charged

I freely admit to being stupid, but the RMT have advised the Guards to sign the contracts, thereby accepting the T&Cs? But not accepting the bribe and they are still striking over changes? I support the strikes, I don't agree with DOO trains blah blah blah, but I don't get what's going on now. I've heard talk of ASLEF getting involved ........

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Breaking (but check the journey planner for confirmation)

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[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

What is this amazing technology of which you speak?

DOO fella. I agree that money should be spent across the whoile network. Therefore the guards can**** off and you lot can drive the trains.

Everyone happy. Apart from a few people remaining in the 70s with British Leyland etc.