[Misc] Southend On Sea Granted City Status

[Eeyore]

Yes, people in Hove don’t like being part of Brighton, and Brighton people don’t really give a s**t.
There was a lot of acrimony when they were merged. Personally, I was pretty miffed at the time and now I don’t live there any more, I have joined the “don’t give a s**t brigade”.

Quite.
[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]

Think of Brighton as England and Hove as Scotland. Brighton & Hove as the UK.

Most Brighton folk don't care because it's all about Brighton anyway, isn't it ? Hove always fights for its identity.

The County Cricket Ground is in Hove. yet the main cricket information online pages has that down as Brighton. The Goldstone Ground was in Hove but everyone was going for an away match at Brighton. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Seagulls over Essex]

Southends a shit hole, I want to go home

Bye then and don't bother coming back. Southend is better off without people like you.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Is there any kind of Brighton vs Hove rivalry in any context?

in the rugby there is

 

[brightn'ove]

Is there any kind of Brighton vs Hove rivalry in any context?

Not really.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

...... plus a cathedral.

The definition of city was the cathedral originally, but then the king/queen bestowed it on other towns as a charter.
Brighton & Hove was because of the Millenium.
Now it seems to be a political gift.

Edit to add a university as well.

 

[The Wookiee]

Have Southend Wheely bin given City status ?

 

[Pavilionaire]

A good decision and a fitting tribute to David Amess. Congratulations Southend.

 

[faoileán]

Yes, people in Hove don’t like being part of Brighton, and Brighton people don’t really give a s**t.
There was a lot of acrimony when they were merged. Personally, I was pretty miffed at the time and now I don’t live there any more, I have joined the “don’t give a s**t brigade”.

Yeah you're right about us Hovians emphasising Hove when asked where we live, and you're right that Brighton people don't give a s**t. However, I don't recall any real acrimony when we merged. Perhaps a few grumpy letters to the Arsgas. But I have family and friends all over the city and it's no big deal and there's no particular rivalry.

 

[Wardy's twin]

A good decision and a fitting tribute to David Amess. Congratulations Southend.

He was also was very critical of Trophy Hunting and Fox Hunting it might have been more meaningful (in terms of moral value which this was all about) if either or both of these were considered but of course that would have upset the tory elite

 

[zefarelly]

Ridiculous political gesturing typical of the PM.

I’d have much preferred one of his wonderful charitable causes to be showered in publicity and money than some sort of Johnsonian vanity project he was involved with. There are dozens of better candidates for becoming a city (not Croydon) than Southend. I wonder if more Tories will get their constituent towns turned into cities now as part of this levelling-up BS they are feeding the electorate?

I still consider B & H as two separate towns, its been getting shittier by the day since if got city status. a magnet for all the wrong reasons.

I also have a laugh about people in Portslade saying they live in 'Hove', even though they're west of Aldrington Station.

 

[Brovion]

Is there any kind of Brighton vs Hove rivalry in any context?

Not really. Hove is often referred to jokingly as 'Hove Actually' because its inhabitants when asked "Are you from Brighton?" reply "Hove, actually." There was some mild resentment when Brighton and Hove ceased to be twin towns and became a single authority, but because Hovians are naturally polite this was little more than some gentle tutting and eye-rolling.

Historically Hove was always posh and Brighton was the seedy, slightly-run-down neighbour. The British humourist, Keith Waterhouse, once famously described Brighton as "looking like it's always helping the police with their enquiries". It is still the Blackpool to Hove's Lytham St Anne's, but I don't think the differences are as pronounced as they used to be. Hove even has a Labour MP now, that would have been unthinkable thirty or so years ago.


EDIT: Yes, there is rivalry in Rugby. There is no rugby equivalent of Brighton and Hove Albion, just two separate clubs. Not sure which one is 'bigger'.

 

[Weststander]

This is one conurbation and one city, a unitary authority (which came before city status) makes complete sense.

There's tangibly and intangibally zero difference from stepping across Dyke Road or walking from Western Street to Waterloo Street.

I doubt younger generations will be at all interested in the old split as time goes on.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Very true. Hence 'Hove actually'.

It's not a city though really. Historically it's a town. I've always thought of cities as really large historical urban areas such as Manchester, Birmingham etc. It seems odd that it would cover anywhere else with the exception of middle ages places like Ely, Lincoln etc.

*cough* cathedral *cough*

Also what something was historically is relevant to what something is being changed to only in terms of looking back at what something used to be.

Historically we used the rule of thumb to determine what sort of stick to beat our wives with.

I'm no tory but I thought it was a timely recognition of a campaign that David Amess had been leading for many years. And I rather like the fact that when a crazed loon took this man's life one outcome was that the man got his way. Not redress, of course, but right and proper.

 

[Weststander]

*cough* cathedral *cough*

Also what something was historically is relevant to what something is being changed to only in terms of looking back at what something used to be.

Historically we used the rule of thumb to determine what sort of stick to beat our wives with.

I'm no tory but I thought it was a timely recognition of a campaign that David Amess had been leading for many years. And I rather like the fact that when a crazed loon took this man's life one outcome was that the man got his way. Not redress, of course, but right and proper.

Blair/New Labour granted B&H city status in 2000, also Wolverhampton. Both included marginal seats If nsc had existed then, Blair would've been accused of the same thing.

Easy to deem every possible decision as dastardly party politcial, but shirley all large settlements with a wide sphere of influence deserve a similar status.

 

[Notters]

The definition of city was the cathedral originally, but then the king/queen bestowed it on other towns as a charter.
Brighton & Hove was because of the Millenium.

Very true, though this was in the 16th Century.

Leeds became a City in 1893 and doesn't have a Cathedral.

There are also quite a few places that have Cathedrals that aren't cities, including Guildford and Blackburn.

Blair/New Labour granted B&H city status in 2000, also Wolverhampton. Both included marginal seats If nsc had existed then, Blair would've been accused of the same thing.

Easy to deem every possible decision as dastardly party politcial, but shirley all large settlements with a wide sphere of influence deserve a similar status.

I've been on here since 1997 and I'm a newbie.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Very true, though this was in the 16th Century.

Leeds became a City in 1893 and doesn't have a Cathedral.

There are also quite a few places that have Cathedrals that aren't cities, including Guildford and Blackburn.

And Arundel DOES have a Cathedral but isn't a City, because it's the wrong flavour of Cathedral, a Catholic one.

 

[Notters]

And Arundel DOES have a Cathedral but isn't a City, because it's the wrong flavour of Cathedral, a Catholic one.

That also applies to Leeds, but I wasn't counting Catholic ones

 

[beorhthelm]

the cathedral link was only by consequence and never a firm rule. Southwark has a cathedral of the right sort and own diocese, but has not made city status. Westminister was a city, lost the status on disolution of the diocese in 1550, but kept the name unoffically until formally re-granted in 1900 after they re-drafted London authorities. i forget the town* that was a city but lost their status, only found out when they went to the College of Arms to get new signs and told they couldnt have thier city emblem anymore.

*its Rochester when they became part of Medway.

 

[Weststander]

the cathedral link was only by consequence and never a firm rule. Southwark has a cathedral of the right sort and own diocese, but has not made city status. Westminister was a city, lost the status on disolution of the diocese in 1550, but kept the name unoffically until formally re-granted in 1900 after they re-drafted London authorities. i forget the town that was a city but lost their status, only found out when they went to the College of Arms to get new signs and told they couldnt have thier city emblem anymore.

Rochester.

An administrative error in 1998 when the new Medway authority was formed.

 

[zefarelly]

Not really. Hove is often referred to jokingly as 'Hove Actually' because its inhabitants when asked "Are you from Brighton?" reply "Hove, actually." There was some mild resentment when Brighton and Hove ceased to be twin towns and became a single authority, but because Hovians are naturally polite this was little more than some gentle tutting and eye-rolling.

Historically Hove was always posh and Brighton was the seedy, slightly-run-down neighbour. The British humourist, Keith Waterhouse, once famously described Brighton as "looking like it's always helping the police with their enquiries". It is still the Blackpool to Hove's Lytham St Anne's, but I don't think the differences are as pronounced as they used to be. Hove even has a Labour MP now, that would have been unthinkable thirty or so years ago.


EDIT: Yes, there is rivalry in Rugby. There is no rugby equivalent of Brighton and Hove Albion, just two separate clubs. Not sure which one is 'bigger'.

THat's more of a catering question I guess