Southampton in chaos

[Not Andy Naylor]

I can't see why it will necessarily affect them adversely. All Pochettino said was that he couldn't imagine Saints without Cortese. Now he won't have to imagine it. He can just open his office door and there it will be. And they won't be selling players, certainly not in this window. That would only affect the sale value.

As a Premier League club that is in no danger of going down this season and produces plenty of its own players, it will be extremely attractive to buyers.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Absolutely.

Lambert rumoured to be subject of £8m bid.

The youngsters are highly saleable:
Shaw £10m+
Chambers, Ward-Prowse 4m each?

Lallana £10m?
Rodriguez £8-10m?

Lovren, Ramirez, etc, etc.

The club as a whole must be worth a lot more than £100m, then.

The paid out £27.5M in the August transfer window on 2 players plus recruited Lovren on an undisclosed fee. The book value on the 25 man squad must be in the region of £100M - £150M , potentially more.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Is any football club worth anything as a business?

Man U and Arsenal are clubs that you'd be able to make a return on at some point. Every other club loses money and lots of it. The only way it's worth anything is to a fan or a rich person who needs a hobby.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I can't see why it will necessarily affect them adversely. All Pochettino said was that he couldn't imagine Saints without Cortese. Now he won't have to imagine it. He can just open his office door and there it will be. And they won't be selling players, certainly not in this window. That would only affect the sale value.

As a Premier League club that is in no danger of going down this season and produces plenty of its own players, it will be extremely attractive to buyers.

NAN - I wasn't suggesting for a minute that they'd be selling players - I was just looking at the theoretical value / worth of those players, as part of a saleable overall package, should the Liebherr family look to sell up. As you say - it looks pretty attractive.

 

[el punal]

Cue a take over from any of the following:
1.Russian oligarch.

2. A middle eastern oil-rich Arab.

3. A far eastern "businessman" who will want to change the club's name to fit in with expansive world-wide marketing image.

 

[Ernest]

Bet Gus is licking his lips about playing them on Saturday

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Is any football club worth anything as a business?

The only way it's worth anything is to a fan or a rich person who needs a hobby.

Markus Liebherr bought Southampton for £14m, and its now worth c £150m.

Notwithstanding he paid off some historical debts too, and he's invested in players, the above figures would suggest that you are wrong.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Are the problems linked in any way to this:

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Cue a take over from any of the following:
1.Russian oligarch.

2. A middle eastern oil-rich Arab.

3. A far eastern "businessman" who will want to change the club's name to fit in with expansive world-wide marketing image.

They should get in touch with Pompey. Perhaps they could put them in touch with a suitable new owner. After all, they have a lot of experience.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Liebherr also paid back all the creditors in full that were owed money when Southampton fell into administration.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Markus Liebherr bought Southampton for £14m, and its now worth c £150m.

Notwithstanding he paid off some historical debts too, and he's invested in players, the above figures would suggest that you are wrong.

Your second sentence suggests that I'm right. The sale price is just the tip of the iceburg, once you own the business you are covering wages and transfer fees. I'd like to know how much the Liebherr family has put in since they bought the club. I bet it's more than £100m and I bet it won't be sold for anything like that amount.

Why would you pay £150m for a business that you're going to have to keep propping up out of your own pocket? You've listed the value of players as assets but those numbers are meaningless because if you sell them all the club gets relegated and it's revenue and overall value drops by a massive percentage. The assets are also an employee who takes money out of the club.

As I said, the only people willing to buy a football club won't be expecting a profit.

 

[smudge]

I hope this all makes Saints fans have sleepless nights. Quite an arrogant bunch, and this includes work colleagues of mine.

 

[Hillian1]

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Your second sentence suggests that I'm right. The sale price is just the tip of the iceburg, once you own the business you are covering wages and transfer fees. I'd like to know how much the Liebherr family has put in since they bought the club. I bet it's more than £100m and I bet it won't be sold for anything like that amount.

Why would you pay £150m for a business that you're going to have to keep propping up out of your own pocket? You've listed the value of players as assets but those numbers are meaningless because if you sell them all the club gets relegated and it's revenue and overall value drops by a massive percentage. The assets are also an employee who takes money out of the club.

As I said, the only people willing to buy a football club won't be expecting a profit.

I think you misunderstand. I agree that there is no money to be made by whoever buys Saints now. There definitely IS money to be made in identifying a decent sized club that is languishing in Legaue One, buying it on the cheap, investing to get them into the Prem and then selling up. Obviously its a GAMBLE though.

 

[Leighgull]

Doesn't LIEBHERR translate as I LOVE MEN? In German? I thought we were the only gays in the league?

Apart from Hitzelperger. Obvs.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

What a difference a month makes...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261

'Southampton: Nicola Cortese at heart of Saints success story' - BBC website 18/12/2013

 

[Pavilionaire]

There definitely IS money to be made in identifying a decent sized club that is languishing in Legaue One, buying it on the cheap, investing to get them into the Prem and then selling up. Obviously its a GAMBLE though.

Time has run out for those investors now FFP is in place. Southampton benefitted from £30mill Walcott, Bale and Oxlade-Chamberlain money to help finance their return to the Prem, but that's a freakish production line that only ever comes along once a decade, so if you can't introduce loads of cash and if you don't have the players to sell it's going to become extremely hard to compete with FFP-compliant clubs coming down from the Prem.

Gone are the days when the likes of Pompey, Wolves, Blackburn and Bolton get spat out like a busted flush. Sides coming down to the Championship now will have the funds to mount an instant challenge - QPR, Wigan and Reading are all still very much in the hunt - and it seems Leicester and Forest are giving it one final throw of the dice before the FFP door slams shut.

 

[Leighgull]

It's Karma for Twatkins not letting them give us the "guard of honour" at Withdean when we won the league.

Never forget.

 

[Triggaaar]

The only way it's worth anything is to a fan or a rich person who needs a hobby.

It's also worth a fair amount to an asset stripper.

 

[Goldstone76]

If I were a Saints fan and lived in cloud cuckoo land I would be hoping that Ms Liebherr gives the club to the fans. Im not and she wont and for sure this is going to upset the team/club unless the sale goes through very quickly. My feeling is that its a rather saleable asset at the moment to someone who wants a new plaything.. A name change to the The South Coast Saints or worse beckons..