sonic boom ban..?

[desprateseagull]

I heard something on the news this morning about some UK town that had some transmitters that targeted the hearing of under 25's (these people being most likely to loiter about town centres, and cause trouble, apparantly..??),

though a charity has kicked up about their human rights, blah blah.. never mind small innocent(?!) babies being harmed too..

can we get them (the sonic whatsits) adapted maybe, to deter doorstep salepeople?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7240180.stm

and product feature-
http://www.compoundsecurity.co.uk/teenage_control_products.html

 

[Peteinblack]

Yes, these devices emit a high pitched whine which can only be heard by people under 25, whose hearing is more acute, and who thus move away because it is unpleasant.

Shops and other businesses plagued by our chav yoof loitering and causing trouble have increasingly installed them, with considerable success, apparently.

Surprise, surprise, 'Liberty' now claim that the device is 'demonising ' young people, and denying their human right to 'peaceful assembly'.

What Liberty don't seem concerned about is the yobs' corresponding 'responsibility' to behave like decent human beings with a modicum of respect for other people or property, nor does 'Liberty' seem concerned about the 'human rights' of those of us who want to go shopping without having to be verbally abused or attacked by these degenerate feral scum.

As usual, those who have no respect get given respect.

 

[Cian]

Yes, these devices emit a high pitched whine which can only be heard by people under 25, whose hearing is more acute, and who thus move away because it is unpleasant.

Shops and other businesses plagued by our chav yoof loitering and causing trouble have increasingly installed them, with considerable success, apparently.

Surprise, surprise, 'Liberty' now claim that the device is 'demonising ' young people, and denying their human right to 'peaceful assembly'.

What Liberty don't seem concerned about is the yobs' corresponding 'responsibility' to behave like decent human beings with a modicum of respect for other people or property, nor does 'Liberty' seem concerned about the 'human rights' of those of us who want to go shopping without having to be verbally abused or attacked by these degenerate feral scum.

As usual, those who have no respect get given respect.

And, erm, all under 25s are feral scum then? You've got a very f***ed view on life...

I refuse to deal with any of the discriminatory fools that fit these to their shops. They don't deserve my money - I've actually queried a shop about them after hearing a strange noise, placed the items I was intending to buy down on the floor and left.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

These mosquito boxes deter all the chavs and asbo kids that loiter around shops, hassling the shops customers by intimidating them to buy fags and booze for them. Playing classical music isn't such a deterrent to hoodie scum.

 

[Starry]

But surely if they play this Mosquito noise to shift the mean nasty people away the mean nasty people are going to congregate somewhere else and become someone else's problem?

NIMBY I guess.

I think it's pretty sad, really.

 

[Cian]

These mosquito boxes deter all the chavs and asbo kids that loiter around shops, hassling the shops customers by intimidating them to buy fags and booze for them. Playing classical music isn't such a deterrent to hoodie scum.

...and also deter all the legitimate customers under the age of 25! Its not like they've found a frequency that solely affects chavs now is it?

I'd also be interested in seeing what form of hearing damage these do - one fitted to a local Centra is bloody LOUD, I can't get my hands on a sonometer to see if its above allowed limits though...

 

[Conkers]

Yes, these devices emit a high pitched whine which can only be heard by people under 25, whose hearing is more acute, and who thus move away because it is unpleasant.

Shops and other businesses plagued by our chav yoof loitering and causing trouble have increasingly installed them, with considerable success, apparently.

Surprise, surprise, 'Liberty' now claim that the device is 'demonising ' young people, and denying their human right to 'peaceful assembly'.

What Liberty don't seem concerned about is the yobs' corresponding 'responsibility' to behave like decent human beings with a modicum of respect for other people or property, nor does 'Liberty' seem concerned about the 'human rights' of those of us who want to go shopping without having to be verbally abused or attacked by these degenerate feral scum.

As usual, those who have no respect get given respect.

I'm 20 years old and I certainly do not fall into the category of "feral scum" as you so kindly put it. In fact I know hardly anyone at my University who would cause such troubles at local shops.
The fact that you feel it necessary to generalise that the under 25's are all loud, disrespectful and rude shows me that YOU yourself have no respect for other people apart from yourself so maybe local shops should emit a sound to stop you from entering their premises?

Unfortunately some members of society believe what they read in the papers so have come to the conclusion that all youths are up to no good so therefore should be banned from all public places.

Peteinblack, you clearly need a reality check because I can assure you these "feral scum" are only a small minority of the under 25's. If you think otherwise then you clearly need a good old sip of some reality tonic.

 

[Les Biehn]

I think it's a brilliant idea. Instead of dealing with the core problems that lie at the root of a lot of this behaviour such as poverty, boredom, family issues etc lets have a machine that makes a horrible noise that causes such hoodlums to move from location to location.

 

[Starry]

I am over twenty five and I can certainly hear the mosquito thingy, at least all the ones I found on goggle I can.

 

[Eggmundo]

maybe the best way forward is to implant the device in their ears so all they do is curl up on the ground holding their heads. Et voila, an end to the yoof issue.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

...and also deter all the legitimate customers under the age of 25! Its not like they've found a frequency that solely affects chavs now is it?

I'd also be interested in seeing what form of hearing damage these do - one fitted to a local Centra is bloody LOUD, I can't get my hands on a sonometer to see if its above allowed limits though...

The box deters all those hanging around outside the shops. Young customers with the intention of buying something from the shop accept this whining noise. There is no proof that any hearing damage can be caused by mosquito boxes and as part of the ageing process you lose hearing these frequencies after your mid twenties. Teenagers are more likely to go deaf through listening to i-pods with in-ear earphones playing at full volume.

 

[Cian]

Young customers with the intention of buying something from the shop accept this whining noise.

No, I don't. Maybe some others do. If its so unbearable to skangers why is it suddenly acceptable to customers? Think before you type, please.

There is no proof that any hearing damage can be caused by mosquito boxes and as part of the ageing process you lose hearing these frequencies after your mid twenties.

No proof they don't, either. You can still have your hearing *seriously* damaged by frequencies you can't hear - which is why tuned attenuators are used by virtually all dance music professionals. They allow through what you're playing but not unhearable and very damaging bass notes. Anything over 80dB is damaging to some extent.

Teenagers are more likely to go deaf through listening to i-pods with in-ear earphones playing at full volume.

Two wrongs don't make a right now do they?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The fact that you feel it necessary to generalise that the under 25's are all loud , disrespectful

The problem is that there is a very sizeable percentage of under 25's who have no respect. Anyone working in the retail sector knows this to be true. Anyone working in the emergency services knows this to be true.

 

[Robbie G]

The box deters all those hanging around outside the shops. Young customers with the intention of buying something from the shop accept this whining noise. There is no proof that any hearing damage can be caused by mosquito boxes and as part of the ageing process you lose hearing these frequencies after your mid twenties. Teenagers are more likely to go deaf through listening to i-pods with in-ear earphones playing at full volume.

Why should i accept it?

 

[Peteinblack]

I'm 20 years old and I certainly do not fall into the category of "feral scum" as you so kindly put it. In fact I know hardly anyone at my University who would cause such troubles at local shops.
The fact that you feel it necessary to generalise that the under 25's are all loud, disrespectful and rude shows me that YOU yourself have no respect for other people apart from yourself so maybe local shops should emit a sound to stop you from entering their premises?

Unfortunately some members of society believe what they read in the papers so have come to the conclusion that all youths are up to no good so therefore should be banned from all public places.

Peteinblack, you clearly need a reality check because I can assure you these "feral scum" are only a small minority of the under 25's. If you think otherwise then you clearly need a good old sip of some reality tonic.

If you read my post properly, you'd see I referred explicitly to "Shops and other businesses plagued by our chav yoof loitering and causing trouble' and to 'yobs';
I did not refer to all under 25s.

Take a reality check yourself, and read posts properly before mouthing off.

And incidentally, while you and your Uni mates probably 'don't cause such troubles at local shops', I know plenty of people whose lives are made a misery by having disrespectful, inconsiderate, rowdy students living next door to them, and keeping them awake in the early hours of the morning.

 

[Conkers]

The problem is that there is a very sizeable percentage of under 25's who have no respect. Anyone working in the retail sector knows this to be true. Anyone working in the emergency services knows this to be true.

Well it must just be a local thing because i've worked in the retail sector since 2003 and the majority of the under 25's are quite polite and are very respectful.
In fact I would even say that the over 40's are much, much ruder than the younger people. All the incidents I have been involved in (credit cards getting tossed at me etc. and even swearing) have involved the over 40's.

It's all down to what people see as acceptable. The elderly think anyone that isn't eating Wether's Original and sitting down by a fireplace doing their homework are being disrepectful/rude/lazy etc.
However a young person who comes upto me on the checkout, who listens to their ipod perhaps (which I know pisses the older members of staff off), I would find acceptable because that is how things are. It's not disrespectful at all, it's just that times change and if you aren't willing to accept that things ARE going to change (including people's attitudes), then you are going to find 99.9% of the younger generation are disrespectful.

 

[strings]

I have actually have had to move from the front of a coffee shop in worthing because they have one of these devices. I bought a drink for me and me other half, we are both 22 and we sat peacefully in front of the shop and had to move because of the noise...

...apparently I deserved to be moved along - my crime - being under 25.

Even though I was a paying customer I was steriotyped as a thug because of my age - the shop was happy to sell me the drink, but would they let me drink it on the bench outside? Nope.

I hope these horrible machines get made illegal, because not all young people are thugs.

 

[Cian]

The problem is that there is a very sizeable percentage of under 25's who have no respect. Anyone working in the retail sector knows this to be true. Anyone working in the emergency services knows this to be true.

And I know from the sectors I've worked in theres a very sizeable percentage of 40+ year olds with no respect. Possibly more so than under 25s, in fact.

I believe I've worked in two identical sectors to you - British Telecom and Sky installation - as it happens. When doing Sky work, it was mid 40s men who assumed they knew *everything* about their overpriced TV setup attempting to tell you how to do your job and getting highly agressive. In BT, it was mid 40s women getting extremely strung up over "I work with computers, I know what I'm doing" when they could barely plug a cable in. Never had such issues with under 25s in either job, as it happened. And you'd get lots more younger people getting Sky in in the area I worked (student town) than older people...

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Why should i accept it?

it is only a minor irritation , you go in a shop , buy something and then leave. I've had to put up with loud machinery noise working in a factory which you can still hear even with ear defenders on , I've accepted it.

 

[Conkers]

If you read my post properly, you'd see I referred explicitly to "Shops and other businesses plagued by our chav yoof loitering and causing trouble' and to 'yobs';
I did not refer to all under 25s.

Take a reality check yourself, and read posts properly before mouthing off.

And incidentally, while you and your Uni mates probably 'don't cause such troubles at local shops', I know plenty of people whose lives are made a misery by having disrespectful, inconsiderate, rowdy students living next door to them, and keeping them awake in the early hours of the morning.

I think you'll find that most of the under 25's consist of students anyway so in essence you are referring to all under 25's (apart from those select few that have finished uni/didn't go etc.).

Again, you are just stereotyping the younger generation. I (being a uni student) have never ever had a house party that has been out of hand/loud/a nuisance etc. In fact our neighbours last year were the head of the neighbourhood watch for the few roads we lived in, and they advocated our behaviour because we were very respectful/quiet etc etc.

You just can't seem to accept the fact that there are a HUGE number of under 25's that are exactly what you see as a "socially responsible" member of society. Those that are respectful, those that are quiet, those that do help old people with their shopping.

These devices are a nuisance to these people that have done absolutely nothing wrong. Disgraceful to be perfectly honest.