[Football] Soccer Saturday

[Acker79]

To be fair, it's probably my fault for failing to notice this is a men's football board, just like Soccer Saturday is a men's football show.

It's alright, petal, you've learned your lesson now.

 

[ShandyH]

Doubt it. Will simply be a case of contracts not being renewed I suspect.

Correct.

 

[ShandyH]

I think this is a wider issue.

People assume that white, middle age, middle class is the control in the experiment. This is thoroughly not the case.

All professions would be wise to recruit people of BAME descent to senior levels. Where these opportunities arise, such decisions, whilst they can be seen as initially divisive, will provide BAME children better lives, role models, more respect, understanding of politics and structures at work, happiness and inclusion

Personally, I really like Le Tis and he has very nobly bowed out. Phil Thompson, whilst lively, was cliched and badly informed. Charlie Nicholas was similar. I’m sad to see Le Tissier go. I’m not surprised by the other two.

The bluster isn’t something that others can’t learn. I remember when Gary Lineker took over from Des decades ago. GL looked amateur in comparison. He’s still not as good (no-one will ever be). But he’s pretty professional now.

It’s a very sensitive subject for those directly affected. But without deliberate change there will be no generational impact.

 

[SK1NT]

The irony of [MENTION=41465]The Lego Stand[/MENTION] calling everyone woke whilst throwing his toys out the pram over these three going.

I have watched Soccer Sat since the mid 90's and Charlie Nicholas and Phil Thompson are just annoying, just a shame Mers isn't joining them. I will be sad to see Le Tiss go.

Who says they are going for more black and female presenters. These guys have been on the panel for two decades. They are obviously on high salaries and Sky just want to freshen things up.

As others have said Jeff makes the show anyway.

 

[albionalex]

I am starting to wonder if The Lego Stand is a fake account or something.

 

[MattBackHome]

I can really identify with Charlie

[emoji38]ol:

 

[del strangefish]

Ron Atkinson?

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Ron Atkinson?

And Marcel Desailly

 

[crodonilson]

Clinton Morrison 1/4 hot favourite to be on the panel, Alec Scott 4/6, Darren Bent 11/10, Lianne Sanderson 5/4

 

[GoingUp]

It was not really the football that I tuned it in for, other than the scores.

I just liked the chemistry 'Jeff and the gang' had. They had been a team for such a long time I just liked their unprofessional, professional banter the outbursts of 'gooooooal', 'oooh no, hes missed it!' etc

So with that, I dont think anyone will have that same chemistry with Jeff and Merse, maybe Micah Richards.... I think he has been really good during the lockdown period and seems like a positive bloke to be around.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Let's face it, Sky knows what it is doing. Even if Jeff Stelling were to leave, the programme will survive. One presenter isn't bigger than a whole media empire FFS!

 

[brighton_tom]

Sad Le Tissier left, always enjoyed him. Not bothered about the other two, showed very little insight into anyone outside the top 6. Anyone but Clinton Morrison please, he is just awful.

 

[crodonilson]

Let's face it, Sky knows what it is doing. Even if Jeff Stelling were to leave, the programme will survive. One presenter isn't bigger than a whole media empire FFS!

Julian Warren does the gig on international weekends and when Jeff is unavailable so he's likely to step up, he's probably a bit too white and male for some peoples liking but he does tick the under 50 box at least.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

The Guardian prediction thread has reminded me what a shame it will be that the old GSS boys won’t be on TV to predict our impending relegation.

 

[Brian Fantana]

I think Soccer Saturday really needs to decide what sort of show it is going to be in the future. As others have referenced, the ratio between actual reporting/analysis and 'comedy' is dipped fairly well in favour of the latter. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that though, in my view. It's been a great show to watch over the years. However, if they want to change the focus up and actually do high quality reporting then I think that they need to find pundits who are actually capable of articulating what is going on in a match that the viewer cannot see - probably quite a difficult skill actually. Le Tissier was one of the best at actually doing that. Matt Murray too. And Charlie Nicholas, to an extent. Merson, Thompson, Morrison, Sue Smith in my opinion all terrible at that.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I'd probably watch it if they changed the line up. Prefer the radio to be honest if I'm not at a game. I can't really listen to Geoff Thompson for one, Le Tissier I've never really taken to either, and Charlie Nicholas just seems mainly grumpy. The cricket doesn't seem to have done too bad with recent shake ups, Vaughan, Tuffers and Isa Guha have been great on BBC this summer, while ditching Botham and Gower to be honest has not done Sky too much harm either. Ian Ward, Nick Knight and Robert Key while not having the gravitas as the former England captains, make up for it in insight and a bit of humour - they genuinely look up to the players they are commenting on, it does make their punditry more energetic.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Julian Warren does the gig on international weekends and when Jeff is unavailable so he's likely to step up, he's probably a bit too white and male for some peoples liking but he does tick the under 50 box at least.

So hang on, when the pundits are given the boot it is ASSUMED they will be automatically replaced by BAME individuals or females, but when the main man goes then another white guy will slide straight into his seat?

That's either a) hypocritical or just plan nonsense on the part of the serially offended (such as that Lego bloke) or b) part of the problem!

Or it's just Crodo doing what Crodo does...

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I'd probably watch it if they changed the line up. Prefer the radio to be honest if I'm not at a game. I can't really listen to Geoff Thompson for one, Le Tissier I've never really taken to either, and Charlie Nicholas just seems mainly grumpy. The cricket doesn't seem to have done too bad with recent shake ups, Vaughan, Tuffers and Isa Guha have been great on BBC this summer, while ditching Botham and Gower to be honest has not done Sky too much harm either. Ian Ward, Nick Knight and Robert Key while not having the gravitas as the former England captains, make up for it in insight and a bit of humour - they genuinely look up to the players they are commenting on, it does make their punditry more energetic.

I think at times they miss Gower’s smooth, seamless presenting and calming aura but Botham hadn’t been offering much for a while and isn’t missed. I never really liked Key as a player but he is doing a decent job as a pundit so far.

I’m not sure pundits is the right term for the cricket team as they generally offer so much more insight than their football counterparts. ‘Pundit’ as a term is tarred by those who have been described as such in the football world. The cricket team are more analysts I’d say.

 

[The Lego Stand]

Ahh, brilliant: resorting to patronising to make your point.

This is what I'm getting at really. You're so blissfully used to seeing all the people in positions of control/ power/ influence being ones who look like you, that it presses your buttons when the merest suggestion of change emerges, and you have nothing left but to throw a few condescending asides around because it makes you feel like you have power over me. You assume a woman who gets a high powered job must be there because she ticks a box. I bet you've whimpered somewhere about the new Chief Constable of Sussex being a woman too...bloody tokenism eh? Stopping all these poor deserving men getting the gig.

Incidentally, there have been twenty eight commissioners in the Met's history. Do you think the twenty seven of them who had penises were all appointed on sheer merit?


PS: I must have missed the part of the title where it said it was a "male football show". Have they renamed it The Lads Lads Lads Soccer Saturday For Big Butch Blokes Show now or something?

Does me saying I would prefer to see ex or current male professional footballers on a programme about male professional football really warrant such a reaction? I think it's a perfectly reasonable desire and one that is probably shared by many. If that makes me 'sexist' then so be it.

'When you said 'with penises' you mean 'blokes' or 'men' do you? Sorry I'm behind the times is 'with penises' the latest woke way to refer to men? Presumably in your world women are 'people who menstruate' call me old fashioned but I don't see what is wrong with 'men' and women'. Will this get me arrested for a 'hate' crime which is what the Police 'service' seem more interested in nowadays than arresting real criminals.

FWIW I do believe it was a tokenism appointment. A white hetrosexual 'person with a penis' I would imagine wouldn't get anywhere near a top job in the Police at present such is the desire to appease the woke brigade, box ticking and 'quotas' and 'equality' seem to triumph over ability, hence Cressida Dick (amusing irony about her surname).

 

[Gully Forever]

It's the PC BS, No black faces presenting the show. Shit themselves. So expect 1 white face in the new cast.
Just don't cast a Prick, like that guy who helped present the Carabao Cup between Brentford and Wycombe.

He repeatedly said "hey Listen" and Listen Man" to the woman. f***** Dick