So - would Harry have done any better?

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beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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He'd have played a slightly different team, notably Walcott starting. we' have been far more agressive but less organised, scored a few more goals but conceded more too. would probably have lost to the French and gone through to be soundly spanked by the Spanish 3-0.
 




CliveWalkerWingWizard

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Aug 31, 2006
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Would we have done better - probably not, would we do better in 2014 - maybe. My biggest fear is that the defensive style has been praised and this sort of football may be served up for the next 2 years. I think we showed Italy far too much respect last night, in the first 20 minutes we dominated and showed they were suspect at the back. After that we got nervous sat back and never broke with pace.
 


fleet

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Jul 28, 2003
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He might have. We were ok defending, well mostly, but dire at keeping the ball. I think Harry would have sorted that part better.
 


Big Jim

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Feb 19, 2007
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I kept saying to my mrs the fact they didn't put those chances away in the first half would cost them.

They were completely shot come the second half. Not sure if it was the heat that caused it, or they were just more tired from the style of play over the tournament.

I personally would have like harry as the boss, but not sure that he'd have done better than Roy. Just think the footy would have been more attacking.
 






Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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I hate to think we could've been worse.

Well we could have lost ALL the games, instead of winning two, drawing one and losing one...
 


Vegas Seagull

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Jul 10, 2009
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Score 4, both strikers score, drop one & bring in non match fit replacement for next match who misses a batch of headers. Brilliant
 


Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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No I don't think he would have. For all of HR's soundbites, I think we would have imploded against the French, not come back against the Swedes, and subsequently lost interest against Ukraine.

I was massively impressed by the way RH and the players came across in interviews - I know it might not count for much when it comes to performances on the pitch, but there was a feeling of togetherness and, dare I say, harmony (without that sounding too clichéd).

England is a work in progress - to get any success, things need to be built from the ground up, and work towards 2014 and 2016. The experience that the youngsters have had from the Euros will help, and I'm sure that in the long term, RH will prove a much better choice than 'Arry.
 




Marshy

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Jul 6, 2003
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FRUIT OF THE BLOOM
The real question is had Capello been in charge where would we have got...

I doubt we would have got out of the group.
 




Marshy

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Jul 6, 2003
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FRUIT OF THE BLOOM
Although i suspect we may not have done any better with Redknapp....

I do think we would have looked a much better side.

Im pretty sure the Likes of Carrick and Scholes may have been in the squad/side had he been in charge

Even Ferdinand, as solid as we were at the back Ferdinand on the ball would have made a difference.

And I am pretty sure we would have kept the ball a lot better with Carrick and Scholes in our 11.

We will never know sadly.
 




maltaseagull

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Feb 25, 2009
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No he wouldn't
You can only work with what you're given - he would probably have picked the same group of players because we have nothing much else
The problem being that English Premier League clubs buy foreign strikers for an immediate impact rather than nurturing young English talent - until you stop them doing that (and let's face it it isn't going to happen as managers only care about the clubs that pay their wages and not about the national team) we will always be found wanting at major tournaments.
It was a backs against the wall performance tonight and we did the best we could but you can only go so far with poor grade players
We have a reasonable defence and a reasonable midfield but it's not great. As for our strikers they are of poor quality

While I agree with you in general, I don't think club managers have any different priorities in Italy, Spain or Germany. It has to do with the talent coming through, as they all seem to produce players that are either good enough to play for their own top clubs or to be sold to other nations top clubs. Nobody is slightly interested in buying English players. Grass roots is where the problem starts and it's downhill from there.
 




Oct 25, 2003
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Although i suspect we may not have done any better with Redknapp....

I do think we would have looked a much better side.

Im pretty sure the Likes of Carrick and Scholes may have been in the squad/side had he been in charge

Even Ferdinand, as solid as we were at the back Ferdinand on the ball would have made a difference.

And I am pretty sure we would have kept the ball a lot better with Carrick and Scholes in our 11.

We will never know sadly.

unless redknapp guaranteed that carrick would start (which is a RIDICULOUS demand to make) then he wouldn't have been in the squad.......as for scholes, this is the man who hasn't given a f*** about england since 2004, great attitude that is...f*** him as well


and you can't have ferdinand and terry in the squad together really can you? personally i thought terry played well in this tournament

i think with redknapp we would've "gone for it" more, and probably finished 2nd or 3rd in the group after losing to france and possibly drawing with ukraine.........it was roy's superb organisational skills that gave us 4 points from those games, redknapp simply doesn't have those skills

another thing is that, for example in the sweden game, hodgson clearly displayed his ability to have a "plan b" in that he brought on walcott and started carroll.......a major criticism from spurs fans was that redknapp struggled to provide a plan b in several games

all hypothetical obviously, but roy was parachuted into that role at a ridiculous time, with hardly any preparation and was a whisker away from getting england to the semi-finals of a tournament for the first time since 1996, when many people didn't expect us to make it past the first round........he's done a bloody good job in my view
 




rjbseagull

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Apr 27, 2010
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His style of play certainly suggests we would have played with more attacking intent, but whether this would have led to better results is open to question.

Personally I don't think we would have seen the same levels of organisation defensively and given that we aren't exactly blessed with attacking talent to counter-act this, I think we'd have struggled to make it out the group.
 




Gritt23

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Jul 7, 2003
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No way.

For me, what Roy did so well was eradicate the senseless circuses that always revolve around us at tournaments. We had no reported fall-outs, no WAG stories, no players speaking out on selection, no nonsense of "transfer talk distracting me", no injury dramas, no "can Gerrard / Lampard" play together, no bizarre Beckham role. NOTHING. Roy kept it to well organised, disciplined, team work, and the lack of media circus helped that a lot in my opinion.

Considering Harry IS a one-man Media circus, I just can't see it would have been the case under him.
 






DTES

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Jul 7, 2003
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No way.

For me, what Roy did so well was eradicate the senseless circuses that always revolve around us at tournaments. We had no reported fall-outs, no WAG stories, no players speaking out on selection, no nonsense of "transfer talk distracting me", no injury dramas, no "can Gerrard / Lampard" play together, no bizarre Beckham role. NOTHING. Roy kept it to well organised, disciplined, team work, and the lack of media circus helped that a lot in my opinion.

Considering Harry IS a one-man Media circus, I just can't see it would have been the case under him.

Absolutely spot-on. Looking forward to seeing what Roy can do given the proper time to prepare the squad...
 


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