So what EXACTLY does a director of football actually do ?

[Acker79]

Do I see Martin Hinshelwood being the new Booker & White-style target?

While the not wanting to pay him off comment is probably unfair with respect to his value to the club as a whole, isn't suggesting he is the new white and booker a bit misleading.

It's not like there's much of an argument for him achieving great, or even good things as a manager. It's not like he's being attacked by people who don't know exactly what role he played in getting the team ready for each game. He was the manager during what I believe is our worst run ever.

He isn't being made a scapegoat, people are judging him on his achievement as our manager during his last stint.

 

[The Large One]

While the not wanting to pay him off comment is probably unfair with respect to his value to the club as a whole, isn't suggesting he is the new white and booker a bit misleading.

It's not like there's much of an argument for him achieving great, or even good things as a manager. It's not like he's being attacked by people who don't know exactly what role he played in getting the team ready for each game. He was the manager during what I believe is our worst run ever.

He isn't being made a scapegoat, people are judging him on his achievement as our manager during his last stint.

If that's the case, what a pathetically shallow thing to do.

However, I don't think you're right. I think there are some numpties who don't know what he does, therefore can't justify his role at the club.

 

[1066familyman]

Do I see Martin Hinshelwood being the new Booker & White-style target?

In all honesty I didn't start this thread as a dig at Hinshelwood. I know I mentioned his losing streak as manager but that was only a reply to a flippant post on this thread.

It just seemed a pertinent question at this point in time as it is something I've genuinely wondered about as there seems to be more directors of football than ever these days. Even one of the clubs in our kids league over here has a director of football !

You'll also notice I never had pot shots at White or Booker as I've never seen an Albion training session in my life so never felt qualified to comment on them.

 

[The Large One]

In all honesty I didn't start this thread as a dig at Hinshelwood. I know I mentioned his losing streak as manager but that was only a reply to a flippant post on this thread.

It just seemed a pertinent question at this point in time as it as something I've genuinely wondered about as there seems to be more directors of football than ever these days. Even one of the clubs in our kids league over here has a director of football !

You'll also notice I never had pot shots at White or Booker as I've never seen an Albion training session in my life so never felt qualified to comment on them.

I wasn't swiping at you. If you look further down page 1, there are a few waspish commentd...

I think a fair assessment has been carried out by biggles there in post no. 20.

 

[1066familyman]

I wasn't swiping at you. If you look further down page 1, there are a few waspish commentd...

I think a fair assessment has been carried out by biggles there in post no. 20.

Sorry I missed Biggles' post as I came straight to page 2 when I opened this up again just now.

Thanks for pointing it out as it does indeed answer the question nicely and in detail .

I didn't think you was necessarily swiping at me by the way, but just wanted to clear my name as I'd started the thread

 

[beorhthelm]

i think it differs from club to club, in general as drew said above, overseeing all non-first team aspects but then might also help there too. some clubs they run the academy others they might be signing players. they provide the club a long term role removed from the cut and thurst of the results end of the business.

 

[1066familyman]

i think it differs from club to club, in general as drew said above, overseeing all non-first team aspects but then might also help there too. some clubs they run the academy others they might be signing players. they provide the club a long term role removed from the cut and thurst of the results end of the business.

Yes, it seems they may do different things depending on what club they're at. I'd always imagined it was something along the lines of imposing their footballing philosophy and approach to the ( some find it more beautiful than others no doubt ) game at the club from the academies right up through the youth teams and reserves to the first team.

All the talk on here about Wise too had me wondering EXACTLY what directors of football do as someone had quoted the late great Sir Bobby Robson's view of Wise's time at Newcastle in that role.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

sometimes i look back to his brief spell as manager and can't help but feel sorry for the bloke

he was kinda thrust into the job............not sure what his budget was but i doubt it was much, he had never managed before so didn't really have many contacts

he had to play a lot of games without zamora, which at the time was pretty much our only source of goal, kitson who could've filled that void got injured fairly early on, barrett got sent off and had a suspension from (i think) his debut, simon morgan had retired not long before leaving a huge void in our defence, one that at the time, guy butters failed to fill, kuipers was injured meaning we had to play petterson

all these players missing meant that a few of our younger players (marney, wilkinson) were thrown in at the deep end somewhat......meaning that he was left with far too many players not up to championship/div 1 standard, and the few that were up to it, unavailable

he was probably (well, almost definitely) out of his depth but i can't help feel sorry for him, things were against him from the word go

 

[Brovion]

Reading Biggles's post it sounds like Hinslewood's role is more Director of YOUTH football as opposed to 'football'. And fair enough it sounds like he does an excellent job. However I also think it's fair enough that people ARE wondering what he does, how he does it and does he do it well enough. And Barry Lloyd as well. I REALLY hate this "well you don't know what they do so shut up" attitude that some posters have; we're more than entitled to draw our own conclusions from what we can observe and what we can extrapolate.

Also now is the right time to turn a spotlight into all areas of the club and see what roles are being performed (or not) and work out what we want the new guys to be doing and to be responsible for. (Might not be an exact like-for-like replacement for Slade, Booker and White)

As a secondary point if Hinshlewood is concentrating more on the youth side it could partly explain why the relationship between Wilkins and the board broke down so completely. No, let's not go there again ...

 

[The Large One]

Reading Biggles's post it sounds like Hinslewood's role is more Director of YOUTH football as opposed to 'football'. And fair enough it sounds like he does an excellent job. However I also think it's fair enough that people ARE wondering what he does, how he does it and does he do it well enough. And Barry Lloyd as well. I REALLY hate this "well you don't know what they do so shut up" attitude that some posters have; we're more than entitled to draw our own conclusions from what we can observe and what we can extrapolate.

Also now is the right time to turn a spotlight into all areas of the club and see what roles are being performed (or not) and work out what we want the new guys to be doing and to be responsible for. (Might not be an exact like-for-like replacement for Slade, Booker and White)

As a secondary point if Hinshlewood is concentrating more on the youth side it could partly explain why the relationship between Wilkins and the board broke down so completely. No, let's not go there again ...

Sorry, Tim, but that's I find that's tosh. What purpose does that serve apart from to idly speculate with a view to prejudicially undermining someone's role and value? Watching a game of football only tells a small part of how the job of the manager's assistants is undertaken. I never saw you as someone who deals in prejudices.

And your parallel with politicians doesn't hold water either. Politics - especially modern day politics - is the art of theory, ideas and dogma, and its useful (or useless) practical applications of them. Football involves far more than that.

 

[Brovion]

Sorry, Tim, but that's I find that's tosh. What purpose does that serve apart from to idly speculate with a view to prejudicially undermining someone's role and value? Watching a game of football only tells a small part of how the job of the manager's assistants is undertaken. I never saw you as someone who deals in prejudices.

And your parallel with politicians doesn't hold water either. Politics - especially modern day politics - is the art of theory, ideas and dogma, and its useful (or useless) practical applications of them. Football involves far more than that.

Yeah, pity we never got onto this on Saturday! Let me get one thing straight, going round to Hinshelwood's (or White's, or Booker's) house and telling then they're 'shit' would be bang out of order. Even yelling abuse at them at Withdean, whilst understandable, is not what they deserve. But discussing it on a fans' messageboard or down the pub or whatever, is just life. People DO draw and voice their own conclusions based on their own observations and hunches. Some, like Uncle Speilberg, are always wrong, and some aren't. Surely you're not saying they shouldn't do it?

And it's interesting that you think football is more complex than politics ... (That's probably why the England manager gets paid more than the Prime Minister!)