[Albion] So Tomorrow If Those Scousers Boo the National Anthem........

[Jello Biafra]

Probably less to do with if he was convicted or not and more to do with what he believes is the truth about them. He may well now have know about Jimmy's goings on and may have dismissed what he heard as rumour. With Andrew he may be choosing to believe his brother. Whilst both look foolish from this time and place, I am not sure I blame him too much for his position.

More murky for me is the queen's decision to pay off Andrews accuser while sitting as the head of state.

I was referring most directly to the Bishop of Arundel, Michael Hill. Check out Chaz's behaviour in respect to him.

 

[BadFish]

It depends on what we all perceive to be value. Take the top end of those figures. £250m isn’t going to solve child poverty in this country. I doubt it would last a day. But, one might argue that a global TV audience for £250m is value for money.

Long term we need to replace the constitutional monarchy with something else. In my view it has to be non-politicized and it has to be meaningful.

We also have to consider what happens to the revenues of the Crown Estates when we do replace the monarch. There will be a big fight there, and one that Charles would have a strong legal claim to.

Agree entirely.

I remember years ago be a staunch anti royal and then reading that their net expensive was pretty much neutral. Not sure if that is still the case (or ever was to be honest) but it would be interesting to look into.

FWIW I am not sure the value of the royals is equal to eliminating child poverty.

Still as I say, I believe the discussion shouldn't be too far away. (I think it will be on the agenda here in Australia fairly soon.

 

[BadFish]

I was referring most directly to the Bishop of Arundel, Michael Hill. Check out Chaz's behaviour in respect to him.

What will I find? Can you share a link to what you are referring to?

 

[Nicks]

Because it’s shit and all about being worshipping and being subservient to a family who are our masters for no reason other than bloodlines.

If the anthem was actually about celebrating the country, then booing it would be different. It’s not though.

You would go down well at The Army v Navy rugby match at Twickenham

 

[El Presidente]

*NEWSFLASH* the royals have no actual power they are just a politically neutral figure head for our country representing a bit of continuity in a fast changing world. Hands up who would prefer El Presidente Boris Johnson/Tony Blair?

When I last checked I had not thrown my hat into the ring for the job, but I do think I could do a better job than the other two.

An extra Bank Holiday to help people complete Pornhub would be my first decree.

 

[jackanada]

Agree entirely.

I remember years ago be a staunch anti royal and then reading that their net expensive was pretty much neutral. Not sure if that is still the case (or ever was to be honest) but it would be interesting to look into.

FWIW I am not sure the value of the royals is equal to eliminating child poverty.

Still as I say, I believe the discussion shouldn't be too far away. (I think it will be on the agenda here in Australia fairly soon.

It's an oft repeated claim that the royal family provide a net benefit. Though last time I found some figures attempting to justify this claim they made the i360 business plan look sound, pretty much assigning the entire net spend of any tourist who even looked at a Palace to the royal family and ascribing the global sales of marmite to having a royal warrant, while making no account of what tax they might pay if they weren't the monarch.

 

[BrianB]

*NEWSFLASH* the royals have no actual power they are just a politically neutral figure head for our country representing a bit of continuity in a fast changing world. Hands up who would prefer El Presidente Boris Johnson/Tony Blair?

Royal political power.

Royals vetted more than 1,000 laws via Queen’s consent

Exclusive: secretive procedure used to review laws ranging from Brexit trade deal to inheritance and land policy

www.theguardian.com

 

[BadFish]

It's an oft repeated claim that the royal family provide a net benefit. Though last time I found some figures attempting to justify this claim they made the i360 business plan look sound, pretty much assigning the entire net spend of any tourist who even looked at a Palace to the royal family and ascribing the global sales of marmite to having a royal warrant, while making no account of what tax they might pay if they weren't the monarch.

Yes it's an interesting one. Possibly and impossible question to answer. Of course without them doing the job they do (ahem) they would still bring in plenty of money through tourism.

 

[Deleted member 37369]

I’m allowed my opinion and didn’t bother going into the opinions of others. To sing our national anthem also doesn’t make you a ‘royal fan’ - in my opinion it just makes you English…

I'm with @sheebo ... It looks like we are in the minority on here ... or is it just that boo boys shout the loudest on here and many with a different point of view just feel there's no point expressing it.

I'll be singing the National Anthem anyway!

 

[Whitechapel]

Don‘t forget that historians would say Brighton is only what it is as a town/city because of its royal past. Doesn’t mean you have to like that fact but the royal family has shaped its very existence and raison d’être, more so than almost anywhere else in the country.

I’m not quite sure “this country would have been happy to see us rot too if we weren’t in easy travelling distance of the rich & powerful” is quite the iron clad response you think it is.

 

[Whitechapel]

I’m allowed my opinion and didn’t bother going into the opinions of others. To sing our national anthem also doesn’t make you a ‘royal fan’ - in my opinion it just makes you English…

Fully support your right to sing the national anthem and I’d fully agree that singing the national anthem before an England game doesn’t make you a royalist so this isn’t meant as a dig BUT

Surely the ‘royal fan’ but is pretty heavily implied when we’re being asked to sing it before Brighton v Everton entirely because of the kings coronation? I think that’s why most of us think it’s a bit silly, imo.

 

[Whitechapel]

You would go down well at The Army v Navy rugby match at Twickenham

I think I can speak for a large proportion of the forum when I can say that I’d rather shit in my hands and clap than go to that so I’m not entirely sure that’ll be a dealbreaker for many on here.

 

[Deleted member 37369]

I’m a republican at heart, but I won’t boo. It’s our national anthem.

I also think a lot of republicans don’t think further than their ideology. I’m not sure they’ve thought of what they’d have in its place, how it would be funded, or what would happen after the event.

Personally, I think Charles says a lot of the right things about social justice and climate change. Ironic that republicans want to get rid of him and replace him with, who?

I don’t believe in hereditary principle, and I think the constitutional monarchy has become a cruel human experiment that puts too much pressure on one family. Look how much media coverage has been given to a 9-year-old, an 8-year-old, and a 5-year-old. That’s disgraceful and we’ll damage them on the alter of our constitution. Harry may be misguided in many ways, but he’s right to get out.

So, I won’t boo. I think collective silence would be far more powerful.

Good post

I'm not a big Royalist ... but then I'm absolutely not a Republican. The Royal Family does need to change and evolve with the times and I think Kind Charles will help that process before William takes over. I would rather have a Monarchy than an elected head of state. We don't seem to be very good at electing people that are ... very good!!

I totally agree with your comments about the media coverage of the young Royals ... but then I have very strong views on the media (not very positive views).

My voice isn't very strong at the moment due to a long lasting cold/cough (not covid - done loads of tests). So will quietly sing the National Anthem so I can keep some voice in reserve for GOSBTS ... and Allbioooon !!

 

[WATFORD zero]

Don't worry Footy G, they'll be enough people there tomorrow like you and me who still believe in Britain, backed Boris and helped get Covid-19 done, who will belt out the national anthem to drown out the boo boys.

@Wokeworrier turning up at a football match ? Now you are being ridiculous.

IIRC I don't believe he has ever commented on the Albion on NSC under any of his various accounts, let alone been to a game

 

[PeterT]

I’m not quite sure “this country would have been happy to see us rot too if we weren’t in easy travelling distance of the rich & powerful” is quite the iron clad response you think it is.

I totally disagree (well, I’m sure I would if I could work out what you are saying!)

 

[BN9 BHA]

You would go down well at The Army v Navy rugby match at Twickenham

Is that before or after the drink your own piss competition?

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

The UK won’t move forward while the multiple barriers to progress on merit are in place. The only thing I’ll be singing today is the praises of the Albion (he says hopefully).

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I'm with @sheebo ... It looks like we are in the minority on here ... or is it just that boo boys shout the loudest on here and many with a different point of view just feel there's no point expressing it.

I'll be singing the National Anthem anyway!

I like the way Bryn Terfel and Andrea Bocelli sang You'll Never Walk Alone at the King's Coronation Concert. Up yours Liverpool. Oh, and I'll be singing the National Anthem very loudly.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's an oft repeated claim that the royal family provide a net benefit. Though last time I found some figures attempting to justify this claim they made the i360 business plan look sound, pretty much assigning the entire net spend of any tourist who even looked at a Palace to the royal family and ascribing the global sales of marmite to having a royal warrant, while making no account of what tax they might pay if they weren't the monarch.

It’s not just tourism, as I have mentioned before.

 

[faoileán]

Charlie the 3rd is well on message re climate change and diversity, if you wait a few years the anthem will probably change to a happy clappy meaningless dirge.

It already is...