So the fact he was carrying a gun......

[alfredmizen]

I think his point is that he may be called Mohammed and be born into a Muslim family, but that doesn't make him a practising Muslim.

Maybe but I'll guarantee that he would have described himself as one.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Mo Farah is a Muslim. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

The deceased was called Mohammed Yasser Yaqub.

I was asking what point the other people were making, pointing out that he was a muslim seemed kind of pointless

 

[daveinprague]

Nobody did make a big deal of his religion except mikey jh , all the posts.from me and subsequently others are only answering him

The OP made reference to the protesters filming the protest.. 'and have some areshole record it on video and try to twist the shooting into an anti-Islami issue. Jeez.....'
Which I think was the main point of his post in the first place.

 

[AK74]

Maybe but I'll guarantee that he would have described himself as one.

Spot on Alf:

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Nobody did make a big deal of his religion except mikey jh , all the posts.from me and subsequently others are only answering him

I was asking what point the other people were making, pointing out that he was a muslim seemed kind of pointless

This was answered above.

 

[larus]

Maybe but I'll guarantee that he would have described himself as one.

Yeah, probably correct, but I don;t feel the inclusion of his 'potential' religion is helpful. I feel he was a low-life (albeit with little real knowledge), and (if he was), then I have no sympathy for his demise. Carrying a gun is a pretty good giveaway to his nature.

 

[Whitechapel]

If I shout at someone during an argument I imagine they would shout back, If I punch someone I would expect to be punched back, If I took someone on in a knife fight I would expect to be stabbed, If I bring a gun to the party well there is a fair assumption that I might get shot once it all goes down.

This could be the Mark Duggan shooting all over again and lets not forget what an innocent lovely chap he was, a proper upstanding non drug dealing non gun carrying good all round bloke.

I think most people's problem with the Mark Duggan case was the fact the police lied to cover their own back, was it not?

 

[cjd]

Okay, my problem here is not with any idea that Mr Yaqub is some angel, it is with how quickly we use a set of suppositions to form a conviction. If I can take some of your points to address:-

"You don't get charged to court on an attempted murder charge unless there is some evidence against you and that wouldn't just be one dodgy key witness" - 'Before discharging the jury, Judge Marson told them that there would be no case against Yaqub without the evidence of Mr Hussain and courts had to treat such cases with very great care.'

"you don't swan around in 40 grand motors with no job or apparent source of income unless you have very rich parents (he didn't) or are a drug dealer" - 'Mr Yaqub's father Mohammed is a well-known local businessman and property owner in the Crosland Moor area of the town'. Additionally, you've have reached the conclusion about the apparent source of income. I have a £40k car, do you know how I afford that?

"You don't carry a gun unless you have a lawful reason to carry one, if you have an unlawful reason to carry one then you can expect to get shot if you carry it with you" - Gun was found in car he was travelling in, a not so subtle difference

In short, I know nothing I've said above presents any great defence for this individual but it does show how flimsy some of the arguments are that people are using to justify the shooting and that maybe we should step back a little, sometimes.

Having read many of your recent shite postings and you being a Derby supporter........is this "The Derby way" of everything ?

 

[GT49er]

No tears shed here.

 

[alfredmizen]

Spot on Alf:

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Exactly

 

[Tarpon]

As an aside why is 'knob jockey' a term of abuse?
I know quite a few people who I believe regularly jockey on knobs and they're alright.

 

[AK74]

I think most people's problem with the Mark Duggan case was the fact the police lied to cover their own back, was it not?

I don't have any problem with the death of Duggan (or the alleged drug dealer from Huddersfield), so I'm clearly not in the 'most people' category. Which is fine by me.

 

[wellquickwoody]

and 'and have some areshole record it on video and try to twist the shooting into an anti-Islami issue. Jeez.....'

?

Right, it appears I have confused two separate videos. I have not watched the whole of this one taken from Youtube, I thought it was the same as one posted on Facebook, my mistake for which I apologise. The one from FB is one of those 'live' type things with 'likes' hearts and OMG's' floating across the screen. Most of these also had comments with them, some pro Police, some anti Police, some racist comments, some extremist comments. The video was presented in such a way that it gave the impression that this was a race related shooting, from there the comments started to become weighted far more heavily to a view of how the Police were anti-Islamic. There you go Dave, that is how you admit a mistake.

 

[alfredmizen]

I don't have any problem with the death of Duggan (or the alleged drug dealer from Huddersfield), so I'm clearly not in the 'most people' category. Which is fine by me.

This.

 

[daveinprague]

Right, it appears I have confused two separate videos. I have not watched the whole of this one taken from Youtube, I thought it was the same as one posted on Facebook, my mistake for which I apologise. The one from FB is one of those 'live' type things with 'likes' hearts and OMG's' floating across the screen. Most of these also had comments with them, some pro Police, some anti Police, some racist comments, some extremist comments. The video was presented in such a way that it gave the impression that this was a race related shooting, from there the comments started to become weighted far more heavily to a view of how the Police were anti-Islamic. There you go Dave, that is how you admit a mistake.

Fair enough, but you can understand why it was curious. Im sure that video will show up on my FB eventually, ill give it a look.

 

[Paul Reids Sock]

You find the wording " a planned operation " bizarre ? Really ? All it means is they were acting on intelligence rather than reacting to a call from the public , and Your statement that what is happening in America Should have an effect on public opinion here is what I find most bizarre.

Maybe I am bad at communicating - probably - What I mean I found bizarre isn't the fact that it was a planned operation, but the way the wording made it sound as if the operation in question was one where they had planned to shoot him from the outset. Which is why i said it sounded like an Assassination.

Also - I said that it will have an effect not that I think it should, look at the black lives matter protests here as a result of America. The media coverage of black deaths at the hands of police in America - has an impact on feeling here. Once a guy gets shot, some people will look at it and say that it is the same and that it is a conspiracy against whichever race or religion the person shot was.

Just my opinion like

 

[dingodan]

Lot's of people on here seem to be saying it's Ok to shoot and kill him for the following reasons:

Not a nice bloke
Possibly carries a gun
Was once acquitted of a serious crime

Just to be clear, in this country we don't summarily execute people for the above reasons.

The only reason he could have been lawfully killed would be:

He reached for a weapon

So let's hope that is the case. Let's also hope most of you guys never have responsibility for such monumentous decisions, it sounds like many of you would have pulled the trigger just because you think he was probably a c***.

Drug dealers and weapon carrying criminals tend to have quite low standards when it comes to decency and ethics, but you guys don't have to join them.

 

[kentgully]

He was a drug dealer, so good riddance.

Cant argue with that

 

[BigGully]

Lot's of people on here seem to be saying it's Ok to shoot and kill him for the following reasons:

Not a nice bloke
Possibly carries a gun
Was once acquitted of a serious crime

Just to be clear, in this country we don't summarily execute people for the above reasons.

The only reason he could have been lawfully killed would be:

He reached for a weapon

So let's hope that is the case. Let's also hope most of you guys never have responsibility for such monumentous decisions, it sounds like many of you would have pulled the trigger just because you think he was probably a c***.

Drug dealers and weapon carrying criminals tend to have quite low standards when it comes to decency and ethics, but you guys don't have to join them.

drivel ......

 

[kentgully]

Live by the sword