So, are you a Racist?

[Pavilionaire]

Beach Hut, no religion tells anybody to kill.

The fact that Muslim extremists believe in Fatwas, death and destruction, and link it inextricably to their "faith" is what's so f***ed up.

 

[chip]

Oooh, nice red-baiting

I'm afraid I've never had much time for the Stalinist apologists, sorry to disappoint you.

Was brought into politics by Tony Benn, picking up one of his books as a 14-year-old in WH Smiths. He remains my inspiration today

But you behave just the same. If you repeat your lies enough, you hope that they become the truth. It seems that this time you have been found out.

Tony Benn, the mad man of Chesterfield, some hero but it does explain your particular brand of lunacy. Your parents should be punished, no 14 year old should be reading that sort of nonsense, you should have been out playing sport, discovering the world and learning about real people. Its not too late - even for you

 

[Mr Burns]

Oooh, nice red-baiting

I'm afraid I've never had much time for the Stalinist apologists, sorry to disappoint you.

Was brought into politics by Tony Benn, picking up one of his books as a 14-year-old in WH Smiths. He remains my inspiration today

What a fun loving child you must have been. Most 14 year old boys, are trying to work out how to buy a porno mag, and there you are reading about politics in WH Smith.

Fuuuucking hell, how do you manage to keep yourself awake. Mind you I suppose Brighton Vs Burnley must have been a thriller in your eyes.

 

[Beach Hut]

Beach Hut, no religion tells anybody to kill.

The fact that Muslim extremists believe in Fatwas, death and destruction, and link it inextricably to their "faith" is what's so f***ed up.

OK it might not tell you but you are taught extremist views by elders.

Ergo the belief it is correct.

 

[enigma]

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Yes, I can see that point. Hands up to it. But as I have a trip planned to India later this year, I would think it would be a bit silly for a racist to go and live amongst the people hes supposed to hate, ie Asians?

But do you not see how your, and more to the point London irish's comments and attacks on people, for what ever reason, probably play more into the hands of the BNP, than if you kept quite. I think the BNP does a better job of keeping new members away than you ever could. But then is that what the likes of London Irish really want. I have my doubts.

Fair enough, although not to be a nit picker but there are plenty of british people living in Spain that dont like the spanish, merely the way of life and the weather.

Perhaps you arent a racist, but the comment you made was in poor taste, and although you may not have meant it in a negative sense, it can be easily assumed that you are a racist. Lets look at Ron Atkinson- although his case is far more extreme. He made some horrible remarks about Desailly, yet he was happy to work with black players.

Ron might not be racist but its easy to see why people would think he is.

The PC brigade is slightly ridiculous- why shouldnt we use black instead of coloured for example? I dont know of any black person that finds "black" offensive. And I can see why it drives people away from Blair etc.

But there is no excuse for supporting the BNP, they are scum of the highest order. Even if people feel that certain things are wrong and things are unfair, noone should run to those white power wankers.

 

[Mr Burns]

I'm still waiting to find out if London Irish is BNP in disguise. If he he may well be.

 

[chip]

OK it might not tell you but you are taught extremist views by elders.

Ergo the belief it is correct.

No, most do. Judaism, Christianity, Islam all do.

 

[shingle]

Unfortuantely I agree with you.

People like Enigma and LI should try and explain why there views are correct and not label people that dont agree wiith them as pondlife, and vile BNP scum. Soon as someone makes a direct attack on you, your going to be against them, it human nature. Thats why they play straight into the hands on the BNP.

Not so much Enigma, but I definately believe London Irish has alternative motives.

FFs Mr B, why dont you just ignore them, most people on here do just that, by keep responding to everything that they post you just keep encouraging them

 

[Beach Hut]

No, most do. Judaism, Christianity, Islam all do.

Baffled - teach you to be extremist ?

 

[chez]

This is posted on the wall at work

I was born black
When I hot Im Black
When Im cold im black
When im cowardly im black
and when Im jealous Im black

You were born purple
When you're hot youre red
When you're cold your blue
When you're cowardly you're yellow
and when you're jealous your green

and you have the balls to call us Coloured!!!

 

[Mr Burns]

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But there is no excuse for supporting the BNP, they are scum of the highest order. Even if people feel that certain things are wrong and things are unfair, noone should run to those white power wankers.

Agreed, but it coming to a stage that if you disagree with Britain being flooded with foreign subjects, that you are racist. And with that in mind, there is not much out there to support. Labour are now basically the old Tories. The Tories are in no mans land, they are out of power, but there views are in power, so where does that leave them.

After that there not much more right before you get to the extremists of the BNP. I dont think anyone will ever run to them in mass. They may well slide to them for the lack of an alternative, pushed along the way by the likes of London Irish. OR SHOULD THAT READ PULLED ALONG?
What we need is a party inbetween, that will look out for the British people, without giving into Europe and the lefties.

 

[chip]

Baffled - teach you to be extremist ?

No, sorry, tell you to kill and for some really silly reasons, e.g.:

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)

If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3)

The OT is obviously worse than NT.

 

[Mr Burns]

FFs Mr B, why dont you just ignore them, most people on here do just that, by keep responding to everything that they post you just keep encouraging them

I know, a bit naivie of me really, but he keeps poping up all over the place, I think I now have him sussed like the rest of you that he is in fact BNP.

It's very quiet when he goes missing aint it.
Probably running round the office getting his journo friend to help him reply, and prove to us that he's not in fact BNP scum.

 

[Mr Burns]

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:mexican:

 

[Pavilionaire]

These religions do NOT say it is acceptable to kill, but because these extremist leaders say it is acceptable many believe it.

I find it disgusting that certain Muslims advocate a fatwa against those who've supposedly "blasphemed", riding roughshod over the laws of the land in which they live, i.e. free speech, free press, killing outlawed.

 

[Pavilionaire]

No, sorry, tell you to kill and for some really silly reasons, e.g.:

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)

If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3)

The OT is obviously worse than NT.

Surely Christians follow the teachings of Christ, who is only NT? Find me the passage where he advocates killing.

 

[enigma]

These religions do NOT say it is acceptable to kill, but because these extremist leaders say it is acceptable many believe it.

I find it disgusting that certain Muslims advocate a fatwa against those who've supposedly "blasphemed", riding roughshod over the laws of the land in which they live, i.e. free speech, free press, killing outlawed.

Very good point.

The main point here, which someone as thick as Oceanic will never understand, is that you cant categorise an entire religion or race.

I have Muslim friends and none of them believe in the Hamza etc bollocks. He and the others like him are a minority of a minority.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I agree Enigma that we should endeavour to keep a sense of balance, but so much of what I hold dear is being completely ignored by some of these "religious" clerics.

One of the most offensive things is their complete sexism. I watched the Sky Report tonight and the Muslim male speaker refused to name his fellow female guest, calling her repeatedly "that woman" and saying she wasn't a proper Muslim because she wasn't "covered up".

 

[London Irish]

What a fun loving child you must have been. Most 14 year old boys, are trying to work out how to buy a porno mag, and there you are reading about politics in WH Smith.

You find 14-year-olds who do nothing but wank, rather than find out something about the world around them, as what we should be aspiring to? Fair enough, explains a lot

Did you wank over a lot of pix of gash of other races? Were they allowed to mix happily with your spunk?

 

[chip]

Surely Christians follow the teachings of Christ, who is only NT? Find me the passage where he advocates killing.

Christians believe both OT and NT though. In the Torah, God gets quite angry at times, remember Jonah, Ninevah(?) etc plagues, passover. The NT has many references to acceptable killing, I can't think of any attributed to Jesus though. But isn't that the point. He died to save us from our sins and so that we did not have to die.